1. This site uses cookies. By continuing to use this site, you are agreeing to our use of cookies. Learn More.

Emissions (etest)

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mephtar, Feb 4, 2008.

  1. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    Well as I had a terrible feeling it might, my celica failed. Not terribly but not a pass. If you have some tips please let me know. ( car was Hot, new spark plugs, new magnaflow cat)

    I head advancing and retarding timing does different thing depending on what you do. I read advancing will lower CO% and retarding will lower HC. Does anyone have more insight or facts to go along with this?




    This Ill be doing next time.

    -Adding Methyl Achol to the tank (gas antifreeze)
    -Upped tire pressure to 35psi
    -removign air filter
    -leaning out car by unplugging small vaccume line ( any suggestions as to witch one?
    -gonna run seafoam through the engine and fuel tonight

    Should I run 87,89 or 91 (10%ethane for sure) I hear mixed info all over the place.


    HC=80 CO%=.59
    [​IMG]
     
  2. ssscorpin110

    ssscorpin110 Guest

    thats not cool man! gotta get this bad boy to pass! i would suggest running 91 from Sunoco... my uncle was told to by a Toyota master mechanic to do that so i would assume its right but if anyone knows different def speak up. other then that im useless
     
  3. rye

    rye Well-Known Member Donated!

    our emission test are such a cash scam it's incredible....look at how marginally you failed...how friggin BS!!!! gah

    Those high-flow cat's don't work as well as an oem replacement... I don't think..anyway...
     
  4. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    Technicaly It was never called a high-flow cat, just a universal. I think Nox are dealt with by the cat so that aspect is ok, Im thinking O2 sensor, but I sea foamed the car and it didnt blow up, seems to be runnnig fine, Im running some through the fuel and injectors too, I got the Methyl alcohol to add, less rolling resistance and a leaner mixture with no air filter I hope it will pull through. Were my number off by a lot? or is 16 points in HC and .3% in CO% a just shy of making it?

    P.S. Can anyone input on the idea of removing a small vacume line on the manifold to make the car run leaner? Would this work?

    p.s.s anyone with experience palying with timing to change emission please comment an ill reward you with gold

    p.s.s.s Is there a how to for testing an O2 sensor?
     
  5. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    O2 sensor testing

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
  6. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    To me it would make sense that disconnecting a small vacuum hose would make it run a bit leaner.

    If you look at the overall system you have air flowing past the MAF which tells the ECU how much air is being sucked in and the ECU then decides how much fuel to dispense.

    So basically you are going to add extra air to the system which the MAF does not know about so it will still dispense the same amount of fuel but there is extra air so more air and the same amount of fuel will make a leaner mixture.
     
  7. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    thanks for the O2 test, ill try that tomorro I hope. The only flaw I might have spotted in the vacuum trick is the O2, could it pick up on the leaner mixture and make it richer? I guess it depends on what controlls the mixture, Is it the MAF or O2 Id assume a combination of each somehow. Theoreticaly a leaner mixture should reduce emissions correct?
     
  8. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    FUCKING Government!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :mad:

    Don't get me started on that bunch of idiots/crooks/lazy bastards/LIARS or you'll have to shut down the site cause I will have used up all the available server space.

    I think we should get to rate our politicians once a year and if they fail I think we should get 1 day out of that year where it's open season on politicians :rambo:

    Kinda make them a little more acountable. :camper:
     
  9. brydenm

    brydenm Guest

    we dont have emissions here in BC its pretty sweet
     
  10. rye

    rye Well-Known Member Donated!

    extra air = extra CO output if I'm not mistaken since there's more air in the mixture than there should be, unless your car is running rich already
     
  11. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    I tested the O2 sensor and It might be border line. It pinged 8 times in 10 seconds, and the test specified 8 or more. Should I replace it? What have you guys scored when doing this test?
     
  12. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    I would see that as being the problem... I would change it, and try it again... I remember my caddy 400 wouldn't pass the inspection, when it was in my f100... I finally figured out, that my O2 sensor was bad... Should have figured it needed replacing, with about 240k on the clock... lol I knew nothing about it, and when I finally figured it out, I had wasted so much money... lol $65 a pop here in California... And I did this like 4-5 times...
     
  13. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    I know a few people have dont this test, if I could get some numbers on how many reps they got it would help a lot. Thanks bro's (p.s are there still girls on this site?)
     
  14. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    whoa my car doesnt even have a cat just a resonator ! well i thnk it isnt a cat lol , we dont have tests like that , but in the top part of the north island you cant have too much smoke or a too louder exhaust or you get fined
     
  15. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    I checked my timing today, it was at about 12-13 degrees, this might help to explain the better mpg and power I was expecting from a stock engine. I retarted it to about 8 or 9. The car has failed twice, but i think this might be the key. I did not jump the E1 and T1 terminals tho, I think I was technicaly suposed to. Will this make any differience in the reading of the timing gun?


    any I got 23-24 reps on the o2 secsor test in 30 secodns. thats liek 8 per 10 seconds. Has anyone run a test on theirs, and found it to have sent more than 8 signals a second? (im worried I sould be getting like 12)
     
  16. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    If the manual says to jump E1 & T1 to set your timing correctly then you should do it. I seem to remember that on some engines I had to remove certain vacuum hoses to set the timing properly.

    I will do the O2 test on my celica on sunday and let you know what I get for a reading
     
  17. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    thanks 165, this emissions test is ruining my birthday. First thing tomorro I will check the the timing correctly, I believe from re-reading the information it will affect the numbers.

    EDIT: Yes the terminals have to be shorted or 10deg will actually only be about 6
     
  18. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Happy birthday :party1: My mom was 85 feb 7. :party2:

    Well I did the test a few times and consistently get 13-14 fluctuations in 10 seconds.

    Before I ground T to E1 I get a pretty constant voltage of 2.2v with the engine at 2500rpm.

    With the engine at 1000rpm I get a voltage of 1.1v

    I do have extra O2 sensors but I can't really test them cause the old O2 sensor plug in my trac was F'd so I replaced it with a plug for hooking up the wiring for trailer lighting.

    [​IMG]

    So I'll see what I have.
     
  19. mephtar

    mephtar Well-Known Member

    ok i got my problem I guess. Ill do the next part of the test and see what happens. How do you check for code 25 and 26's? I shorted t and e1 but no check engine light is coming on.

    p.s is there an MAF test that can be done to rule out it as the problem?
     
  20. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well you only check for codes if you remove the jumper from T to E1 and maintain 2500rpm and your volt meter reads 0. If you are reading a voltage greater than 0 then the diagnosis chart says to replace the O2 sensor.
     

Share This Page