starting problem

It could be that you have a starter problem

 

U need to do the starter relay mod.....helped cure that problem rite up....but have u ever heard a srude sound when trying to start her?....... I'm on my phone but I'm sure one of the other brothern will post the link to the mod in a few.

 

just follow the steps in this link and it will solve your problem for good! :thumbsup:

viewtopic.php?f=48&t=236

 

NSS...may be called something different but cant remember of the top of my head. there is a switch behind the clutch pedal, to ensure the clutch is depresed before start up. could look there.

 

no theres no switch. check your ignition.. might be a problem on the starter part of it! :thumbsup:

 

when you turn the key to start it. at the part where you have to hold it!

 

what about it mis-hitting or over hitting....but then again yours doesnt make any sounds like mine does sometimes.

 

The starting problem is common to all 4th gen's All Trac's GTS's & GT's all experience it. I'd say 1 out of every 10 starts
on my GTS won't work no matter how hard I press the clutch pedal down or how many times I try to turn the key but
if I use my bypass switch it will fire right up so I know its not the starter, the common theory is its the starter relay that
has become intermittent.

In your case you say you can hear a click, is it coming from the starter or from the starter relay which is down
to the left of the clutch pedal in the main fuse box ?

I have no explanation of why rocking the car would make any difference at all. If the car is in gear you will rotate
the engine and tranny a few degrees. If its not in gear you will only rotate the tranny a few degrees. In either case
it would have no effect on the starter unless the starter gear is engaged with the flywheel which it shouldn't be.

If your starter mod is installed correctly it should crank the starter every time you turn the switch on. If it does not
crank the starter every time then the mod was incorrectly installed. If you have the key in the run position when
useing the starter mod then the engine should start every time !!!!!

this is my GTS but it will give you a good idea of where to find your ST165...... number. It on the firewall


And on the All Trac this is what your looking for


I hope you kept your other 3 starters!!!!
Lets review how 1 works
In the following picture theirs 2 connections on the starter. The red arrow points to the bigger cable
if you follow it back it attaches to the +'ve battery terminal so that point on the starter allways has
12 volts. The yellow arrow points to the wire from the ignition, when you turn the key to the start
position 12 volts should be sent to this connection. When the connection receives 12 volts it does
1 thing, it causes a plunger to be depressed. When the plunger is depressed it does 2 things.
1) it pushes the starter gear into the flywheel gear
2) It completes the circuit between the battery cable (red arrow) and starter motor causeing the
starter to rotate


The starter bypass is basically a switch between the +'ve battery terminal and the plug pointed to
by the yellow arrow. Thats why I say it should never fail, if wired correctly your sending 12 volts
dirrectly from the battery to the yellow arrow terminal and if your starter is good it will at least click.
If the big cable red arrow is hooked up correctly then it should click and rotate so its pretty much
fool proof.

You may have noticed that to make the starter work all you really need is a wire about 1" long.
Unplug the yellow arrow wire from the ignition. Take 1 end of the 1" wire and touch it to the
ignition wire plug and touch the other end of the 1" wire to the red arrow bolt which is allways
12 volts and the starter will crank if its functional. Thats a real easy way to test a starter

JUST MAKE SURE THE CAR IS IN NEUTRAL!!!!!!!!

You may also notice in the picture that I have made a little wiring harness that plugs into the yellow
arrow plug and basically just splits the plug into 2 connections and in the picture one of the connections
has the original wire from the ignition switch attached and the other connection is for the starter bypass
switch and if all else fails it was installed as a male plug so I would have an exposed contact surface so
even if my starter bypass switch failed I can unplug it like it is in the picture now and touch it to the big
brass bolt red arrow and the starter will crank if its functional

 

AM1 & AM2 are the 2 main fuses

 

Pull a spark plug and see if you have spark

 

Mine was parked for 2 years before I drove it as well. hnoes Shortly after I began driving it the waterpump decided to destroy itself. I also have minor oil leak as of now. Although the car was fine before it was parked for 2 years, no leaks whatsoever. Parking a car for 2 years really kills it lol. But the car is now my Daily Driver so it's all good. Just to give you some hope there.

 

mine sat for 6 years, change the plugs/oil/gas in the tank/fouled fuel pump and off she went!