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ST162-7254182 "Dirty Deeds" Edited

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by ST165-2765, Sep 28, 2009.

  1. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Thats the hardest part to get out

    Welcome to the 5S balencer shaft system! Take the oil pump for your 3S and send me those pistons?
    I'd like to see a pic of the naked crank please

    It's a special socket, I just use a multipoint socket too
     
  2. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Do you want the connecting rods too or just the pistons ?

    further destruction as stig says the manual calls it a 5sfe ballancer
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    mine just fell right out the only thing preventing it from falling right out of the case
    was the tube for the speedo cable
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    You need help :hehe but whatever turns you on I guess :eek5

    I'll get some pics of the crank for you
     
  3. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

  4. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Nekked cars = car porn? :lol2

    Interesting - very interesting, been meaning to open one, pistons are cheap for these tho

    What flywheel bolts are used? Gen1 or 2

    That crank looks heavy but I'd keep that block, crank, rods, pistons and refurb it into a 5SGTE,
    after ditching the balencers of course

    Rods look like GTE items with bigger big ends, pistons are clipped like the GTE. Also the sump
    is hollow so you can custom make your own baffles.
    Can you compare a rod with a GE one? Length, width, bolts etc?
    Can you confirm the crank journal sizes?

    Pistons are lower comp than GTE (=more boost) and tougher with thicker rings (better heat transfer, longer life)
    - you are looking at the making of a real 5S-GTE for your Alltrac - This is the bottom end I've been looking for!
     
  5. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Don't know but thats what they look like. It was a 92 5sfe
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    to bad your not closer it could be your's I doubt I'll get more than $5 for scrap metal. If I ever do
    decide to do a 5sgte I still have another whole 92 camry wagon sitting in the yard and it still runs
    both wagons were approaching 400,000 km's

    fe left ge right the ge looks stronger diameter appears to be the same
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    fe left ge right the ge is definetely wider and has much bigger bolts
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    fe bottom ge top
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    I measured from the bottom of the pin
    GE
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    FE
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    the GE arm is about 2mm longer
     
  6. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Shart, that's not good - looks like gen1 bolts and pattern?
    Good for those wanting to swap flywheels for the FE style starter though!

    Believe me, if I were closer I would have annexed it already :sad5

    Does the bearing fit the GE rod?

    Double shart, pics are decieving

    Triple shart - so the 5S block isn't longer, sneaky devils shortened the rods instead!
    I was hoping a 5S block would provide some extra room for some hybrid stuff :ugh

    Thanks for the feedback, somehow I'll find the "magic combination"
    It's no biggie, you can still make power with the 5S crank, GTE rods, = pistons that are 2mm shorter
    In fact I think the later 5S does have shorter pistons - must check the Taiko catalogue again.
    I'm creating a spreadsheet with all this info on it sothat I can compare at a glance but this kinda info is hard to find
     
  7. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    FE rod GE rod cap so the FE journal is about 3mm bigger in diameter
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    FE cylinder is about 13.9 mm tall
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    GE is at least as tall maybe 14mm
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  8. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Thanks Dave

    The blocks are the same - if you add the stroke + rod length + piston height = they are equal so
    the block deck height is the same or within 1mm.

    The 5S big end is good news for power, bigger journal/bearing = greater load area. Look how how much
    bigger diesel big ends are than their petrol equivalents.
    In this case I think the 3S is 45mm and the 5S is 48mm which is the same as the 2JZ ?, (don't have my notes handy).
    I think the 2JZ is an uprated 5S-GTE with 2 extra cylinders, which accounts for these motors making over 1000hp
    on the dragstrip and staying together.

    More reseach required on this but I'm confident I can mix parts to unleash some free wild ponies.
    For GTE guys it's even more interesting, imagine what a 2300cc 5S-GTE could produce reliably. In my case (GE)
    I think 250hp is the reliable/drivable limit.
     
  9. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    :barf

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    Dam .... :toetap05
     
  10. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    :cheers Happy Birthday :cheers
     
  11. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well technically it's only 5pm Dec 16 for me but seeing as your under the
    impression that I should be celebrating I'll start early :cheers
     
  12. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Good show Dave - I usually start celebrating the coming of the weekend on a Thursday :cheers

    Toy-yoda sez "May the wors be with you!"

    You'll be able to wear your shirt "officially" in a few hours :lol2
     
  13. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    [​IMG]
    well that was nov 24 2011

    and now I'm expecting great weather well above the normal averages for this time of year
    so I'm hoping to be able to contribute to global warming by getting Dirty Deeds back on the
    road this week.
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    I didn't do much over the winter just had a couple small issues to deal
    with. I had a leak somewhere around the front of the rear passenger
    wheel well and the second is a leak where the air comes in to the heating
    system. The passenger rear wheel well leak turned out to be a weld that
    had not been totally sealed so I put some ruberized rocker guard spray on
    it and then back the pesky intake air leak. I have put countless hours into
    trying to seal this area from the inside so I'm sure the leak isn't from there
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    Taking a look at the cutout on my white coupe I can see that there is a
    second piece of metal that has been attached on top of the main piece.
    The red arrows point to both the inside and outside of the seam. I don't
    know how Toyota attached the 2 pieces together but their does appear
    to be some old dried up rubber gasket in amongst the rust of the 2 seams.
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    So between the rust and the dried up gasket I think the water is leaking in
    between the 2 pieces of metal so I'm going to try and waterproof the seam
    from both sides and I'm going to use some some roof sealing tar to get the
    job done. It should aslo do a good job of soaking into the old rust and
    preventing new rust
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    So it's time to cut a hole in Dirty Deeds and see if I can finally get the leak
    fixed. The stuff is pretty easy to move around and should seal well. To the
    right you can see a piece of aluminum I cut out to cover the hole.
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    I've added 3 bolts, 2 to hold it in place and 1 to use as a handle. I put a bit
    of roof sealer on the back of each bolt to waterproof the holes in the aluminum
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    and bolted in place
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    I put the bolts on the cover low down so they wouldn't interfere with the
    bottom windshield covering
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    So hopefully I can get Dirty Deeds on the road this week and hopefully I've finally fixed the fresh air intake leak
     
  14. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Last fall I got a 5th gen license plate holder because it looked like it would fit a 4th gen
    after a bit of modification
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    I want to iluminate the red lens so I cleaned out the paint Toyota had applied to the inside
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    I was then going to start making some flat fiberglass sheets but then I decided I should
    check out the original black plastic portion of the license plate holder
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    So I cut off some of the bottom and the 2 tabs on the sides
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    I sanded the sides a bit to better fit the contour of the 4th gen and ended up with this
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    The 4th gen bodywork seems to widen as you get lower but I should be able to fix that
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    Now I'll have to do a bit of fiberglass work but useing the black plastic piece has definetely
    saved alot of time and work and materials
     
  15. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Nice, I might cut open my heater fan like that and just get somebody to weld it back up
     
  16. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Ya I saved the piece I cut out I just want to make sure I have solved the leak before I weld the original piece back in

    Back to the fun world of fiberglass and my trusty duct tape. I'm going to mold a couple of side pieces out of fiberglass
    and then stick the black plastic piece to the fiberglass. This will also solve the issue of the 4th gen body getting slightly
    wider at the bottom of the license plate opening
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    I'm also going to use 4 existing bolt holes to attach the new license plate holder to the car so I wrapped 4 stainless
    steel bolts with a bit of tape to protect the threads from getting gunked up with fiberglass resin when I insert them
    through the wet fiberglass cloth
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    I cut a bunch of 7" strips some 2" wide and some 1/2" wide of fiberglass cloth. I went with cloth instead of mat
    because it will contour better to the iregular shape. I put 2 2" strips on each side and then poked holes and pressed
    the bolts into place and then put 1 more 2" wide strip over each side. then to build up the outer edge of each side
    I added 3 more layers of 1/2" wide strips. On the inside where the black plastic piece attaches I added 1 more 1/2"
    wide layer. These last inside pieces where just insuance to make sure I had nice wet fresh resin to stick to the black
    plastic. It has been quite a while since I had put layers of fiberglass cloth and resin in those spots so it made sense
    to add a fresh layer and it also added a second layer of cloth over the bolts. I also painted a layer of resin on the back
    of the black plastic before I stuct the 2 together. You can see the bottom 2 bolts the new black plastic piece sits right
    on top of them. That was a nice convienient way of making sure the black plastic piece is nice and level.
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  17. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    and a while later I can remove the newly molded piece
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    Now I need to add some fiberglass around the top, I could have done both steps together but it may have been hard to separate the
    newly molded piece from the body
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  18. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I sanded up the edges a bit just to clean it up, I'll probably put my rear view camera in the keyhole
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    and I cut out some flat pieces I will need to fill in around the bottom, a piece of waxed paper
    works good to prevent the fiberglass piece from sticking to the flat surface
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    I put another piece of waxed paper on top and then put another piece of flat wood on top and
    a few cans of paint to weigh it down, with the heat from the curing process small flat pieces
    can warp or curl up if their not pressed flat
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    even though the curing of fiberglass resin is a chemical process once the resin has hardened
    if it has been covered with waxed paper or molded to a piece of metal the side that was covered
    will still be sticky and needs to be exposed to air to finish drying
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  19. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    When I original trimmed the 5th gen piece I left a little extra like the rounded lip
    I now want to straighten out
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    This side has had its edge removed
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    A rotary tool and a sanding drum works well to remove the excess plastic and it helps to roughen up the plastic
    so the fiberglass can bond better with it.
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    now things slow down a bit as I have to wait for individual parts to dry before I
    can move onto the next step. Here I've used a couple of blocks of styrofoam to
    keep the new pieces of fiberglass at the right height while they bond. Plasticine
    and tape can also be used to hold pieces in place while they bond.
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  20. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    more cutting and glueing of flat pieces, in this case I can use a bit of tape to hold the
    piece in place while it dries, I'm not worried about that little triangular hole, I have to
    apply a few layers of fiberglass cloth to the backside so I'll fill it in then
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    the tape can also act as a hinge so I can flip the piece up to apply the resin
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    the little side pieces will just be held in place by gravity
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    I need some curved pieces so I found something with correct radius and wrapped waxed
    paper around it
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    I placed the piece of cloth on another piece of waxed paper
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    and once it had been soaked with resin I wrapped it around the tube
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    I used a couple of bottles to hold the sides of the newly attached pieces at the correct
    angle, because these pieces are taped along the top the bottom edge tends to pull out
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    for these side pieces I used a popsicle stick to drip a few drops of resin into the crack
    between the 2 pieces
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    getting a little more shape to it
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    I think Toyota cheaped out on the 5th gen and didn't make a licence plate holder specific
    to the north american market as this holder is quite a bit wider than a north american
    license plate
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    a while later and my curved piece of fiberglass has hardened
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    so now I can finish framing the blask plastic piece, clothes pins also work to keep pieces in
    place
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    I'm also casting some right angled pieces to use for strengthening purposes
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