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removed alarm system...no spark

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012.

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  1. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hey everyone. I pulled the alarm system i discovered in my car out. but now it wont start. before i thought it was the fuel pump....turns out i was dead wrong....anyway i do have fuel but no spark.

    The day i pulled the alarm out i drove the car across the street to clear some room in the driveway. The next morning I went out to start it and it started for a second and died....that's where i'm at now. Havent gotten around to testing anything yet other than finding out that there is no spark. When i pulled the alarm i disconnected all of the wires and spliced the ignition wires back together. I'm at a loss. maybe i jiggled a ground loose? how would i check?
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012
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  2. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    If you have no spark I would think the most likely reason would be no power to the
    coil so I would check the coil plug to make sure it is getting 12 volts on one wire
    and the other is a ground.
     
    ST165-2765, Apr 23, 2012
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  3. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    okay so while i was up here posting my brother in law decided to look at my car. He took the wires out of the connector to the ignitor to test them. now he doesnt remember what order they go back in.

    these are the wires in order from left to right they are orange, black, white yellow red. I did find that there is continuity between the white and orange wires
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    This is the igniter. the # on it is 201. not like anybody elses i have seen around here
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    scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012
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  4. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    12V while cranking it? There is also no power to any of the wires for the ignitor. getting that put back together right is my first priority right now.....
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012
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  5. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Don't have to crank it just have the key in the run position
    What engine 3sfe 3sge ?
     
    ST165-2765, Apr 23, 2012
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  6. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    3SFE its a GT
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012
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  7. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I don't know what a 3sfe igniter looks like.
    these are 3sge igniters
    [​IMG]

    this one is from a 5sfe camry, its close I think it says CHD1
    [​IMG]
     
    ST165-2765, Apr 23, 2012
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  8. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    looks like the one from the camry...i need to see the wires that go into it though....thats the problem.
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012
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  9. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    where is the coil? Couldnt find it.

    However i do have 12 volts to this connector on top of the distributor
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    is that the power going to the distributor? if so shouldnt i have spark?
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 23, 2012
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  10. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    sorry theres no way to tell from the bgb. maybe pm flatliner or someone with an fe car and a camera. the ge is different, the igniter actually has a loom comming out of it to a plug, then plugs into the harness. colors are also slightly different.

    edit. iirc the coil is inside the dizzy on an fe. though im not sure what that looks like since i havent had one.
     
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  11. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    87 bgb wiring diagram. the ground "f" goes back to the ignition.
    double check your repairs using this, though im not sure what the "pistributor" is. must be fe only.


    [​IMG]
    [​IMG]
     
    jwagner162, Apr 23, 2012
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  12. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    thanks for the diagrams...i just get confused when reading them....and i also dont know what a pistributor is....
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 24, 2012
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  13. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Heres a couple pictures that show you the correct pin configuration
    [​IMG]
    The numbers in the picture indicate the pin # the letter inside the cirlce indicates the plug letter
    pin # 1 black with yellow stripe
    pin # 2 black with a red stripe
    pin # 3 black with an orange stripe
    pin # 4 black
    pin # 5 white with a blue stripe

    This second picture shows the plug and pin #'s
    [​IMG]


    and if that isn't helpfull enough perhaps this picture will help
    [​IMG]
     
    ST165-2765, Apr 24, 2012
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  14. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    I strongly suggest you look at what you cut, under the dash whilst removing the alarm. You may have missed a wire, just needs joining/soldering as it may have been used as the coil immobiliser part.
     
    The3sgtestarlet, Apr 24, 2012
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  15. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Some security systems allow you to start the car and sometimes even drive it a short distance before it
    shuts the car down. So you may have removed part of the system but left the imobilizer in place and it
    allowed you enough time to get the car across the street and briefly start it a second time before it
    imobilized your vehicle.

    I don't know why your brother in law is tearing appart ignitors or any other toyota part. Your problem
    isn't with toyota its with the alarm system which probably hasn't been totally removed or the wires
    that were left after removal were not re connected properly.

    What make and model is the alarm do you have wiring diagrams for it?
     
    ST165-2765, Apr 24, 2012
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  16. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks for those pictures. He was putting it together wrong so hopefully that fixes the problem. I will let you know later today....just got off work and am going to bed. I don't know what he was thinking..he likes to tinker with stuff but it always turns out bad....I will get more info on the alarm later as well. There were only 3 wires still connected. The others had been previously cut. One write was spliced into a write that went to the ignition, it has 12v running through it. The other two were from cutting some other wire and running both ends into a relay.
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 24, 2012
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  17. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    yeah youd want to remove all traces of the alarm. if one of the extra wires makes ground that could cause an issue. like 3sg said just double check that everything is reconnected proper. happy to get you more pics of the diagram if needed. but omw to work now.
     
    jwagner162, Apr 24, 2012
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  18. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    A relay ?
    Still installed ?
    Can you get a picture of the relay ?
    Is it a Toyota relay or part of the alarm system ?
     
    ST165-2765, Apr 24, 2012
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  19. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    it is part of the alarm system. It cuts off power to the ignition if the alarm is armed. will get pictures up later. Thanks for all your help....and btw ST165-2765 where did you get that picture that shows the colors of the wires? I searched the internet for 2 whole days before posting on here....
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 24, 2012
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  20. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    alright! Got her runnin again!!! I must have found a loose wire when i was making sure all the connections were tight but when I put the wires in the correct order for the igniter it fired right up! Thanks again.....I love this forum haha :chef
     
    scottjackson1209, Apr 24, 2012
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