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put a 2nd gen 3sge header on

Discussion in '3sge' started by Noobified, Dec 14, 2007.

  1. Noobified

    Noobified Guest

    and I love it. the motor has WAY more torque down low and through the whole rpm band. I was burning 3rd gear on the dry highway! The cops dont like it too much, because its really loud but damn... sounds like a subie from 1.5-3.5k rpm. 8) revs and pulls alot smoother too btw.
  2. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    mhmm giving me ideas :D , tho i have to focus on the head noise grrrr , going to shop on monday to get inspected :D , hopefully it isnt bad noise , if you all wanna see aka video what im talking about ill get a vid
  3. Noobified

    Noobified Guest

    please show me. I have head noise but I am pretty sure I just need to adjust the vavles. The space gets bigger between the rocker and the valve and begins to make a clicking noise. my car does it bad for 2 secs on startup. I will be adjusting this with a feeler guage soon. I am moving to a new apartment, so finances along with time are very low.
  4. sr5punk

    sr5punk Well-Known Member

    i take it that the 2nd gen 3sge header on your 4g isnt exactly legal then eh?
  5. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    valves are non adjustable. what you are experiencing is dry start. that's actually typical. i'd actually put a bottle of lucas oil stabil in there. should solve that.
    this is only a fix for Noob, don't go pouring crap into your oil!
  6. The valves are non adjustable but the lifters are...the noise you are experiencing is known as ticking lifters, the clearance between the shim and cam lobe has grown causing the cam lobe to "slap" the shim instead of "sliding" over it. A shim is not a lifter - it sits on top of the lifter in a machined recese or "bucket" to prevent it from dislodging or flying out of place. A feeler gauge, micrometer and thicker shim is all that is needed to adjust the valve clearance. If you need a thicker shim I have tons just let me know which thickness you need and I can ship it out to you, you will also have to specify which generation of 3SGE you have seeing how I have an assortment of shims for both the Gen1 and Gen2 motors.
  7. Legal in the sense that it does not conform to emissions laws, but is perfectly legal in the sense that it is a OEM part.
    The gen2 3SGE was never offered in any USDM vehicles hence they are not emissions compliant - in certain states, California for example where strict emissions laws are prevelant.
    Up here in Canada, well Ontario at least a car that is 20yrs old or older is emissions exempt. Also JDM engines are perfectly legal for on-road use up here as well, provided that the car has a catalytic converter. Most emissions technicians fail to observe EGR's wether in place or not, let alone faulty or functional ones.
    So a gen2 3SGE, gen3 3SGE or even just an aftermarket header that has no EGR provisions is acceptable - read not legal. However I belive the Pacesetter header has the EGR port for emissions compliance so that would be legal in your state. Also keep in mind that pre-face lift Celica's have the EGR port coming out from the exhaust manifold where as a the post-face lift Celica's have the EGR port coming out from the head.
    So if in the OP case if his motor has the EGR port coming from the head than his gen2 3sge header is fully legal within the emissions laws as well as original equipment manufactures laws.

    edit just read that he has a JDM 3SGE swap so unless he is still using the USDM head and manifolds and lives in any other state beside California than his header aswell as his motor is not emissions legal.
  8. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member


    Judging by the audio I would have to say that Im 85% sure that that is not your valves but your connecting rod bearings. Its especially prevelant in the first video and you can just start to hear it at the end of the 4th video.

    If its a "ticking" or "tacking" noise then its your lifters. But if its a "knocking" sound then its your bearings.

    I take it that you have been driving the car for a while with that sound, if it is the case where your bearings are on their way out than Im affraid to say that not even the best oil or additives in the world are going to fix your worn bearings. At most it will give you some time to source a new motor or car, but remember the more you drive it with that problem the greater a chance you stand on it seizing on you!
  10. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    woh! shot rod bearings! don't run that thing anymore! you either need to get that fixed or replace bottom end.
  11. Dman_23

    Dman_23 Guest

    I am with these guys on the rod bearings. It is a very common issue with these motors. If you keep running it with bad bearings you'll wear them through, or spin them, and then wear will occur on the crank and block. Then the bottom end will need to be replaced. So if it's not too late already, get it fixed.
  12. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    yikes..hope you have another beater..such a pretty care too..makes me sad =[
  13. MITT4G

    MITT4G Well-Known Member

    wow as soon as he cranked the engune I also kenw it wasnt the head it had a reall hollow sound to it-
    As stated above youve got bottom end issues.

    Yo better hit a mechanic swiftly.
  14. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    :( im sad now lol , tho it is going for a wof 2mrw at the mechanics and gonna see what they say :D , thanks tho guys im pretty slutted tho , soo anoys me that it only happens sometimes while driving
  15. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    and to add to it really gutted but yeah will see wat mechanics sae lol and ive been driving it around like that for over 500 km lol, but also is terms of prices what would i need to replace i knw the bottom end is the crank etc but which bearings and would this be expensive
  16. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

  17. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    Rio i checked that site out but i couldt find any listings at all.
  18. Noobified

    Noobified Guest

    hey guys thanks for the imput. I have actually moved out of my house and have been real busy but I have to say a couple things

    The video... you need to order a replacement engine because the bearings are going. my gt did that and about 50 miles later it threw a rod through the block.

    my gts is NOT legal. I have 2 more years till I can legally run strait pipes but I did it a bit early. the header is 4-2-1 then 2.25" to a resonator and then to a tip. Its incredibly loud and I will get a good muffler to help but I do love it and it helped power down low and through the rpm band.

    my noise is most noticable after a cold start where the car sat over night. its a loud clicking for about 2 seconds then quiets down when the oil pump brings oil up. I will be adjusting the gap between the rocker arm and the shims very soon (have my own garage now but my tools etc are at home.)

    I should get a new video. car sounds like a suburu now. I had to relocate the O2 sensor behind the downpipe because the 2nd gen 3sge never had a o2 sensor bung on the manifold. so its now welded onto the pipe after the 2-1 merge.
  19. sprey16

    sprey16 Well-Known Member

    nah the engines sweet besides the bottom end , mechanic said , soo guys , i made a touch decision , im gonna get her fixed up :D , tho i could by another car , but i like this car and paid shit all for it , tho it is gonna cost me around 1k to get it fixed and ive gotta get some rust out of it , tho i dont want the poor thing ending up in the wreckers , so wish me luck guys will be fixed after new years :D

    lets just say i havent ditched you's just yet

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