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Chassis stiffness

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by 88V6Celi, Jan 2, 2008.

  1. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    Wait... Since when has a hybrid been a track car?! lol ;)
     
  2. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    Echo isnt a hybrid..Know your shit before you talk it.. ;)
     
  3. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    lol They have a hybrid echo though...
     
  4. 88V6Celi

    88V6Celi Well-Known Member

    Thanks for the reply. I don't think comparing an Echo to a Celica is comparing apples to apples (maybe oranges to grapefruits). It doesn't seem that anyone with a 4th gen has a front or rear suspension brace. The front suspension brace in the pic above seems to be a band-aid for the suspension cross-member. I would rather fab a new cross-member to stiffen the chassis than to add and additional bracket. The 4th gen doesn't have the same rear mounting spot as the 5th gen anyway. I think I'll fab up a new cross-member and take it to the track for some testing with and without it. I can also have a much more experienced driver drive my car and see what he thinks.
     
  5. slow_yota

    slow_yota Well-Known Member

    ok..well maybe not, but the echo in stock form has terrible body roll and feel slike it woul dflip over if pushed to the limits..Now that that my suspension is totally done, She feels like shes on rails.

    And if there is a hybrid echo ..It isnt in the states, and prolly has the weak ass 2nz-fe engine, Not the stroked and bord out 1nz-fe

    On a side note..id def be interested in one of those if you fabbbed one up.. ;)
    if thats possibble atleast.
     
  6. CrazyAchmed

    CrazyAchmed Well-Known Member Donated!

    I second the under body brace Jim if you make one. I'm definitely interested.

    There was talk about Conrad_Turbo fabing up some under body braces for the 4th gen Alltrac (which would make it available for both Alltrac and FWD models) but I don't think anything ever came of it, or hasn't yet.
     
  7. 88V6Celi

    88V6Celi Well-Known Member

    Well I am definitely interested in fabbing up one for my car, which means I could make more if there is any interest. They would be more of a made-to-order deal than having some in stock like I think Conrad has. The only thing I need to figure is if it is better to make a replacement suspension cross-member that would be much stronger than the stock piece or creating a separate bracket like the part for the 5th gen. I usually lean towards keeping the weight as long as possible so I may go the cross-member replacement route, but I’m open to input.
     
  8. 89celicagt

    89celicagt Well-Known Member Staff Member Super Moderator Donated!

    I don't think 'verts can do the rear one since that's the exact spot where the top folds down to. The front seems applicable 4-sure :twisted:
    -K
     
  9. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    How many pasos are we talking for one? I would be really interested in one, the brace, I mean. PM me with some details, if you ever decide to actually go for something like this. :D It really would be nice to get a hold on something like this, for any celica owner! They are definitely flex riddled chassis! lol :)
     
  10. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    That sucks... I haven't noticed how low my top actually goes... Mostly because it's only been down once, and I didn't look in the trunk... lol I don't plan on having the top down very often anyhow, as I have sensitive skin in the hot cali summers, (115 degrees here last summer, several days in a row! I had blisters!) and I get too cold in the winter... lol It would be kind of cool to be able to have one, that maybe I could just unbolt and move out of the way, or somehow have a quick release if I needed to remove it for some reason, though! :)
     
  11. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    jim, i have upgraded front and a rear strut brace and you notice the difference. the rear made the most difference but believe it or not, the front really feels better with the triangulated brace instead of the factory 3 point.
     
  12. Dman_23

    Dman_23 Guest

    Build a better stock brace would only get you so far. I'm sure a lot of the benifit of that brace comes from the fact that it is mounted to the A-arm mounting point directly. And the increased spacing between these mounting points would also add to the rigidity of the chassis compared to the stock crossmember.
     
  13. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    i would think on the lower brace that a simple bar between the front control arm points would work fine.
     
  14. 88V6Celi

    88V6Celi Well-Known Member

    The suspension cross-member is connected to the mounting point of the lower A-arm. The bracket that is the pivot point for the front of the A-arm is a big cast-iron piece, it's doubtful that it is flexing forward of the cross-member. The suspension cross-member is used to keep the chassis from spreading between the firewall and the radiator core support. Adding a brace to the forward pivot point of the A-arm is just a band-aid for a week cross-member and does nothing to resist side force. Any side force applied to one side will be transferred to the other side. The cross-member is just sheet-metal and not very rigid but it is wide and will resist transferring some of the side load. Tying the front of the cross-member (or the front of the A-arms) to the chassis as Conrad’s brace does is the best solution. Finding a good mounting point on the chassis is the trick to making a usable brace. Stiffening or making a new suspension cross-member is a alternative choice.
     
  15. CrazyAchmed

    CrazyAchmed Well-Known Member Donated!

    I hope you can use the support bar I took out. Damn was that a bitch. Gonna be comin in a big ass box.
     
  16. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    Hey guys, one thing NASA is allowing us to do on our PT race cars is to seam weld the uni-body. No it's not going to be as much benefit to suspension stiffness as strut tower braces, but it will sure take most of the flex out of the chassis itself. This will be even more of a benefit to the hatchback cars, as the coupes are already much stiffer. If my still-born project ever gets rolling again, I plan on seam welding the entire chassis, then install an 8-point cage. The cage will tie the rear shock towers togather with a crossbrace between the rear hoop support, while the front will tie into the firewall for more rigid cabin support. I plan on either making the third member for the front shock towers, or simply buying a Cusco or Whiteline brace if still availble.

    racerb :wink:
     
  17. CrazyAchmed

    CrazyAchmed Well-Known Member Donated!

    Jim you ever get that bar mounted to increase the stability of the car?
     
  18. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    Yeah, I want to know what's up to. :) I'm really noticing the flex in my chassis, lately... My girl doesn't feel it when she drives, then again, she really doesn't care... WOMEN DON'T UNDERSTAND! lol I hit a good spot in the road the other day, that made the whole frame shutter... It wasn't bad enough to cause any steering issues, or anything, but it was bad enough that it scared the crap out of me... lol It's weird to have a whole car feel like it's twisting under your ass! :) I'm developing a bar, that might possibly work in the convertibles, but it's going to take a little time, as the welder I am using is a friends, and I can only use it on weekends, when he isn't busy! Wish I could TIG weld, it would be much cleaner, and the aluminum welds would be so much nicer... Oh well, steel bars work... I just need to remember, that I can't bend it to the way I need it...

    |T|--____--|T|
     
  19. 88V6Celi

    88V6Celi Well-Known Member

    I haven't gotten anywhere on the constrution of the bar yet, I was side tracked on tiling my kitchen floor. I do have it figured out how I want to attach it. It's just a matter of time to fab it up, after I finish your rear strut tubes that is.
     

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