Does anyone no how stiff the chassis is on the 4th gen? I had planed on putting a cage in the car to stiffen the chassis and provide some safety, but was thinking that after lightening the car, I would be just adding a bunch of weight back in the car and a lot in the worst place, up by the roof. I was wandering if anyone knew definitely if a cage stiffens the chassis enough to justify the added weight? Since I mainly use the car for auto-cross, I don’t really need the cage for safety, so I was thinking about just adding strut tower bars on the front and rear towers and maybe adding some well placed angle or channel metal under the car to stiffen the chassis which would add the weight as low as possible.
Hi mate, When I had my ford capri stripped out for a years worth of spriniting and hillclimbing, I added a roll cage and did feel an imediate benifit in the handling of the car. The capri being a similar shape, to a celica 3 door coupe, I would say you will find a real improvement in the handling. it was as if I had poly bushed the suspension all over again. However...the weight of the cage did blunt the performance. On a personal level, I felt I could drive the car harder with the cage in it as I did feel safer. My personal feeling would be to fit the cage, but it does need to be welded in rather than just bolted to see the best gain.
I was thinking of stiffing the frame up using other methods. In the rear I was planning a strut bar, but also connecting it to the back of the car, somewhat like the front strut bar. I think It would add in some more stiffness without the weight of a total cage
Good idea, I have seen a few cars with tri rear strut braces, the other area I would consider stiffening up is the b post, as the door openings are big, on later 205 models they have an extra section welded into the Base of the B post to stop flex, sure it would not be that hard to do!
I pretty much have had the same idea for a while now. A regular strut bar just transfers the "flex" from 1 tower to the other unless you triangulate the bar. I was thinking more along the lines of an “Xâ€
If ESRacing doesn't chime in, shoot him a PM for the mods he did to his car to stiffen it up. I know alot of those mods are gonna be added to my car when I get to that point, but he has a little bit of everything(including a roll cage). I know he Autocrosses is blue car, and has even rallied it once.
the stock chassis flexes too much. weight reduction and a roll cage do tend to cancel each other out but the benefits of the cage are endless. on another note: never tri mount the rear like meph has pictured. 1 accident will ruin the entire car. tri mount is great but you don't want the third mount behind the towers. go between or foward.
Hey mafix, what would happen if you went to the back of the towers with the braces? And would there be a benefit to tying the towers at the top, then making a, "V" between, or in front of the strut towers?
Has anyone seen this before? I barrowed this from CT. It looks like a lower front suspension brace. They are made for the 5th gen. This would be easy to make for a 4th gen, but I wander why an additional brace would be needed. I would rather replace or reinforce the stock suspension cross-member. Anyone know anything about this?
I think Erics custom sub-frame connectors is def. a good place to start esp. in my case with the 'vert. As for that photo you posted, I would assume it would help :twisted:
Why? Why is it "def" and why would it help? The company that makes it is here: http://www.celicatech.com/forums/showth ... st29843699 If these do "work", then I might fab up some for the 4th gens., but making a replacement for the stock suspension cross-member might be a better idea.
def = definitely according to eric it stiffened up his chassis considerably. He'd have to fill in the specifics though.
Yea, I see that now (shoulda paid more attention in school ) When I was removing the sound deadener and sheetmetal plate on the rear strut towers, I realized why the AllTracs have a support bracket on the towers. I am able to flex the metal just by pushing on it with my fingers! Maybe I'll make some supports like the AllTracs have.
If you would like one similar to the alltrac ones, I can cut out the extra one that I have and you can scope it out with that if you wanted.
Here's a pic barrowed from CT: They're hard to see in this pic, but if you look on the inside of the towers, you'll see a triangular bracket attached. The 2 brackets that go from the center of the strut bar connect to the bottom of these brackets. Yes! that would be awesome. I'll PM you about this.
That looks really cool. I want something like that for my vert. It would def stiffen up the chassis considerably! I get so much side to side, that I can feel the body flexing around a corner. It's really strange to have any car flex that much... I was thinking about making one of these this spring anyhow. But if someone could fabricate one and sell it relatively cheap, that would be better...