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Anyone own ceika coilovers?!

Discussion in 'Suspension / Steering' started by RaZ3rSh0t, Nov 13, 2012.

  1. MXP_57

    MXP_57 Member

    Yes 11" is 280mm right? So with the st165 suspensions, we have to increase the track by 120mm !! (60/70mm on each side) isn't it?
     
  2. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    believe it or not there is a lot more room to play with AFTER you cut the fenders. all 4 of my fenders are chopped 2 inches higher.
    and to be perfectly honest: i would have bought your coilovers over mine if i could afford the options i wanted. who knows? in the future i still might.

    what i mean't by 6kg is i think* thats low without considering internal shock resistance (megans are actually quite high). i think* 6K would be well suited on a much lighter car. 8 k front seems to be fairly good and mathmatically good as well. but this may be a little stiff for a normal street car. not for my flavor. hell i complain about the slight body roll i have now. which from what i can see in pics is near nothing. i know you know what you are doing and believe me i'm not questioning you on that. just putting out more information.
     
  3. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    Just to add my 2 cents, I've always built my own coil-overs and toyed with different spring rates for different tracks. Here are the front struts I just made final mods on with 7" 550 lb.ft. springs, Koni Sport inserts and cut-down KYB bump stops. I am still going to play with even higher spring rates, but only after some track testing.

    More mods for the Celica 001.jpg

    The latest set up is the strut on the left along with the brake bracket removed...

    Also here are SuperPro urethane bushings from Toyhead Auto Restoration installed in the '95 Celica rear control arms with adjusters rather than cam bolts!

    Even more Celica mods! 005.jpg Even more Celica mods! 009.jpg

    racerb :science
     
  4. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    10K front springs! you need to drive up here and take mine for a spin. are you using the sway bars?
     
  5. MXP_57

    MXP_57 Member

    Mafix> yes of course, leaving the fenders intact wasn't an option! But since the clearance with the shocks is already tight past 215 tyres. The extra 6cm with the wider wheels and tyres is all going to go toward the outside. So i'm wondering how the car will behave with such as wider track. Surely stiffer springs will come handy with the increased leverage.

    About the 6kg springs, i agree with you. It's just the best spring rate in my opinion for someone who wants a good sporty ride but still have some comfort and reasonable travel. For gravel rally, we go with 4kg 240mm springs and digressive type shocks. Then a lot of the ride quality will come down to the dampers. Not saying that overdamped is good, especially for longevity. But depending on valving type (digressive/progressive) it will make a huge difference. With digressive types I've had customers increasing spring rates over previous Tein coilovers. And they ended up with much better comfort on the street and less body roll/better handling on the track.

    racerb> looks really good. Love the clean bench too. :) Of course it's the cheapest route to go. But base adjustable mount that lets you adjust the height independently from the spring preload is not possible with sleeves unfortunately. If you are serious about handling having the car corner weighted and the preload set on each corner separately is something that will improve the handling considerably. The car will be more neutral and will let you get full control of the geometry settings. But i'm sure they do the job really well! Are you running slicks? Higher spring rates might be good with slicks. I've seen some people getting best result/fastest laps by running high spring rate and no swaybar for track cars. (not on celica though). I wouldn't do it on a street car though, it would give you a sore back to get to the point where you don't need a swaybar.

    I miss my st165 :p
     
  6. racerb

    racerb Well-Known Member

    Going to try it without the front bar and a 18mm Whiteline rear bar, but if the balance isn't quite right, will probebly look for a small front bar!!
     
  7. MXP_57

    MXP_57 Member

    Cool, let me know how it goes if you test this.
     
  8. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    racerb: in all honesty the front bar doesn't do too much. i think you'll have made up for it 10 fold with just the springs. my concern with your setup is when you unload the spring. you almost need a limiter on the shock to prevent completely unloading. but if you can eliminate a lot of the body roll, hopefully you won't have this issue.

    mxp: i cannot confirm whether or not the increased fulcrum that i've created requires more spring rate. the problem i have in seeing that work is the sheer amount of things ive changed in the last couple years to increase the handling of the car. in AI i ran 1st in FP class and 2nd overall in Prepared. it's working whatever the case but i did have to install the insane rear bar and for some reason i can't let go of the stock front. and i think a ton of the handling is in the details. less to attribute to a single part and more to attribute to research and work carried out as a whole. i'm sure i can drive circles around a stock one. i can probabily drive circles around most "street" modified ones. i'm not sure what would happen if i ever raced another autox setup one. my guess is that i never will. especially not one setup with a turbo.


    i am enjoying the different setups on the cars. hopefully everyone winds up with the same result i have and enjoy the work. and hopefully all the different setups can lead to some form of a guideline.
     

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