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A/C Questions

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by burakol, Apr 9, 2013.

  1. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hello -

    After being able to get the heater going on in my car, it is not time figure out how to cool the car...

    Now that the summer heat is almost here, I need help with my A/C system. I have the Auto Climate feature in my car btw...

    Some issues I have an idea what is causing it, others, I don't so I am hoping to rely on you guys.

    1. Lo fan speed non-functional - blower resistor?
    2. Anytime I try to turn on the fan, it seems that my A/C compressor kicks in because my RPM goes down (happens even when I'm on heat function) - confirmed that the relay and A/C clutch is functional. Compressor do kick in when I turn on the fan...
    3. A/C button not lighting up - can this be due to faulty light, bad solder connection, or something else in the system (no gas, compressor failure?)
    4. When I initially bought the car, there was some sort of toggle switch wired to the battery and to the A/C compressor harness that didn't make a difference when I flip the switch... I now have disconnected this and seen nothing different... At first I thought the A/C Compressor was hardwired but this may not be the case.
    5. What/where is the common leak source for the A/C line? I remember on my 91 MR2 (SW20), there was a rectangular (o-ring) rubber that needs to be replaced on the compressor (i believe it was in the manifold) which is always the culprit for A/C leak... how about for the st162?

    Thanks!
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2013
  2. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    How can i possibly solve the A/C Compressor not to turn on when it should not? Any suggestions?
    oh and how do I trouble shoot the automatic climate control for the car? When I press the auto button on the A/C control panel, no air blows out...
     
    Last edited: Apr 10, 2013
  3. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    When I press the auto button on the A/C control panel, no air blows out...

    are you sure no air blows out? the auto feature moves the air to where it needs it most. if you hear the fan turn off when you go to auto feature that's pretty messed up and i'd suggest resoldering the whole HVAC panel. (it takes 30 minutes from tear down to putting it all back so it's worth it)

    when you say the compressor turns on when the fans are turned on you don't specify if the A/C button is on or off. with the fan on, does the A/C button do anything?

    the hvac air route works this way, tiny 'radiators' exist for cold and hot inside the car, and they are heated or cooled by either the coolant lines or the compressed gas. once those 'radiators' heated or cooled, you need to pass air through them to feel hot or cold air. if you say that the compressor turns on, assuming that you have R134 or r12 or whatever gas you have in there, and there are no leaks, then the 'radiator' is being cooled down. you just need to have air pass through it. above the ECU, you can manually control the flap that diverts the air from the cold 'radiator' to the hot 'radiator' once you unclip one little arm from the motor. try that and if that works, you know something connected to the motor there is jammed.
     
  4. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hey, Thanks..

    But yeah, when I press the Auto A/C, no air is coming out... the fan is not working... I know this cuz' I can't hear my fan blower... same thing when I press the Lo button... I re-soldered the panel when I did the heater fix...

    As for the A/C button, the button does not light up at all... When I press/de-press, nothing happens... the compressor is always engaged... I verified this by physically inspecting the compressor in the engine bay.. the only way I can disengage the compressor is if I pull the relay out... other than that, each time I run the fan, the compressor is engaged even if I have it on heat...

    I did unclip the valve near the firewall that controls the hot/cold temp... i do get heat, but I don't get any cold... I kinked the cable that push/pull the valve so I just left it unclipped...

    Could it be the blower resistor causing the Auto function to not blow any air since the Lo fan button does not work as well?

    Where do I start in figuring out what causes my compressor to always be engaged???
    I will try to re-solder everything again and see... Could this be a case of bad soldering point on the HVAC panel and the compressor is stuck in the "on" function?
     
  5. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    so the fan turns off when the auto is pressed on even when the fan is at the highest setting? this could be either the blower resistor or the hvac panel.
    a/c button light: try taking a bulb from some other function on the hvac panel and switch the LEDs around
    compressor always on: could be hvac panel or sketchy wiring...but if the fuse works then that leads to think that the wiring is okay
    my 2nd button for the fan doesn't work as well but then again, my temp slider has never worked

    the clip near the firewall is NOT the clip i was talking about. it makes sense now, if you kinked this cable, you're preventing that cable from push/pulling. follow the cable into the INSIDE of the car, above the ECU, under the back of the radio area. if the cable isn't moving, the air diverter motor can't move and your air diverter flap is stuck pushing air through the heater "radiator".

    do this: follow the cable that you unclipped near the firewall, unclip the OTHER SIDE of it. THEN try the following settings: fan at highest, a/c button on, coldest temp on the slider, fresh air. should get cold air.
    if that doesn't work, you may have fried the air diverter motor from kinking the cable. if that happens you need to unclip the flap ARM, not cable. then you can manually control cold or hot air.
     
  6. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    will update the thread once I get to work on it this week... BTW, when I say auto function, nothing works when both the fan/air direction light is on... meaning if i choose the full-auto function...

    but when I have the fan on high plus press the auto function for the air vent directions, it works fine... but still not getting as cold
     
  7. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    of course! the full auto function doesn't include fan speed...have you been thinking that the auto function also controls the fan speed???

    the auto function only determines the air vent direction!!!!!!! the auto function adjusts the air vent direction DEPENDING on the temperature and fan speed, NOT control it.
     
  8. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    is this so?? all along i was thinking that it also should control the fan, hence it has two lights and a picture of fan and air direction respectively...
     
  9. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

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    you have an 89? it should be the one on the bottom, only shows directional auto...

    take a pic of yours
     
  10. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    Mine is slightly different. It has both the direction and fan.

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  11. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    i've never seen that...all three cars i've had only had auto direction (i've had 87-88-89 models LOL)
     
  12. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    my GT had the auto direction. but my All-Trac has auto direction and speed.
     
  13. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    According to the dealer sticker i have for the car, this was an option added.
     
  14. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    I drove the car yesterday and my wife wanted to ride along and asked to turn on the A/C... I told her it is not blowing any cold air but she insisted to turn it on... to my surprise, the A/C blew cold air... I observed closely if there was a difference when I'm constantly moving to when I am at a full stop/idle and it seems that there was no significant change... the air blowing was constant...

    I don't know how this happened but I am hoping that the A/C is "miraculously fixed"... as for the compressor always "on," I still have not worked on it... I will first try to re-solder the controls again and see if that will make a difference... Other than bad control, what else can cause the compressor to always kick in?
     
  15. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    sounds like that cable through the firewall gets intermittently gets stuck preventing the air vent mix motor from moving. just like my heater back when i first got my car, sometimes it would move the flap about only halfway, sometimes all the way hot. i'm willing to bet that this is one of the lucky times your motor was strong enough to move teh cable enough to the cold. i bet that if you try moving the temp to hot, then back to cold, it won't go back to cold. have you done anything to the cable through the firewall? it's like a 5 minute job...
     
  16. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    i tried to just push/pull the cable and spray some wd40... other than that, i have not really tried to follow the cable line and check whats behind the dash...
     
  17. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    don't just sporadically push and pull it. get someone else to move the temp to cold or hot and help the the cable move all the way as you'll see at the firewall connection it doesn't go all the way in either direction
     
  18. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    so i my wife and i somewhat cleaned the car so I was able to ask her to help me out with the A/C... here's is what i found out...
    when i change the slider to hot, the cable in the firewall move all the way in.... when the slider is set to cold, the cable doesd not move at all and i need to pull it out... as i pull it out, i do not feel any kind of resistance...

    as for my A/C compressor, it still kicks in regardless if im on heat or cold... when i disconnected the wire to the compressor, the clutch did not engage... my relay is working im sure about that...

    the only thing i haven't done yet it to resolder the HVAC panel again... i'll probably do it tomorrow.... in the likelihood that it is not the HVAC panel, what else could be the culrpit??? the clutch itself? pressure switch???
     
  19. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    i finally was able to open up the hvac panel and re-solder again... i also took the liberty to observe the behavior of the cable when the temp is changed to hot/cold....

    the motor is definitely working.... i think the main issue is that when i put the temp slider to cold, the cable flexes instead of being pushed out... thus, the other end is not able to push the heater valve in the firewall.... i'll post the video i took to show this...
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8k9DkOT7y2Q&feature=youtube_gdata_player


    for the A/C compressor always kicking in, re-soldered everything... nothing changed... the A/C compressor still kicks in each time is turn the fan on... the A/C button light does not work, and even if i swapped another bulb, the light still does not turn on... there was one thing i noticed though.. if you look into the picture below, it seems that there is a bare/exposed line on the circuit board... could this be the culprit why the A/C compressor is always "on"?
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    Last edited: Apr 23, 2013
  20. burakol

    burakol Well-Known Member Donated!

    This morning I decided to re-check my relay and the fuse box and this is what I found out...

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    I sit normal that the relay socket/hold only has three lines/wires? Or do you suspect that somebody tampered it and hard wired the A/C compressor to always be on?
     

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