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3sfe to 5sfe?

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by thrill, Jan 8, 2008.

  1. thrill

    thrill Guest

    well ive come to the conclusion that i need to get my engine swapped out for sure, the oil leaks on it are terrible and after 20mins of drivin the engine is smoking terrible from under the exhaust manifold, so im wondering, if i can luck out and get a 5sfe, is it worthwhile? i think it has a little more kick and fuel economy but hey, ive been wrong before. any suggestions would be nice, ill be lookin for one at the end of the month
     
  2. 88V6Celi

    88V6Celi Well-Known Member

    You could also check into getting a 3S-GE. I used to get 30 mpg when I used my car as a computed. A 5S-FE would be a good choice also. I thought about that before doing the V6 swap. It would be a good torquey motor for auto-cross, but I like the power of the 3S-GE, I like the V6 even better :D .
     
  3. thrill

    thrill Guest

    so which swap would be less hassle? or give me more bang for my buck at least, because ill be commuting about 30miles each way to work with this new job and i gotta get somethin worth while. is ther anything specific about the 5sfe that people would like over the 3sge?
     
  4. sr5punk

    sr5punk Well-Known Member

    well there are certain things to the 5sfe that people like. it has a good mpg, it was used up till 2000 i believe so parts are accessible and new, there are more performance parts for it, and it is a stable engine. there are things however that i like about my 3sge that make me want to keep instead of swap over to a 5sfe. i like the g series heads, i like that i get better gas milage on the freeway than my girlfriends camry with the 5sfe, i also like "claiming" that it was a limited production engine. in all reality i would say that a smart choice would be upgrade to the 5sfe. there are more accessible parts for it and it is not hard for people to work on. i have had the usual problems with it though. leaky valve covers, leaky distributor plug o-ring, and sticky throttle valves. also the thing i dont like about that engine is the ignition coil is inside the cap. but these are all personal problems and preferences. its an outstanding engine for what it is. an f series head that produces a good amount of power and torque while still giving the better end of gas milage.
     
  5. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    I was also curious about this. I was thinking about the 5s-fe also. Only reason is that it is newer, and more parts are readily available. I went to napa to get some parts for my 3s-fe, and they told me that they didn't even know what I was talking about... lol Good times... Is it a direct swap, like straight onto the same mounts, or is there some kind of change done? I really want to switch over as my engine is leaking like a mofo also, and I don't really feel 305,xxx miles is all that reliable anymore... I mean it runs strong, for it's age, and wear, but I think it would be a great time for a change... :D
     
  6. sr5punk

    sr5punk Well-Known Member

    it is a direct swap. s series engines have the same mounts. however, you do need to change over everything else if im not mistaken. check out celica tech for more info and i know there are a few guys on here that have done it also.
     
  7. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    i am a little biased but i would go with the 3sge. better performer and when driven kindly gets great milage.
     
  8. thrill

    thrill Guest

    ok after everyone has said somethin, how hard would a second gen 3sge swap be into a 89 celica? i assume the 3sge gives me the extra power i need in higher rpms so im considering if the price is decent and the swap isnt terribly difficult. mafix you got any plug on one? i think goin from 110ish hp to 155hp would be very noticable.
     
  9. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Well just quickly thinking about this with the exception of just putting in another 3sfe engine you will need

    - new engine 5sfe, 3sge, 3SGTE
    - correct ecu
    - correct maf sensor
    - would be nice to get the correct wiring harness
    - if you get a gen2 3sg(t)e it would be nice to get the proper fuse boxes for the engine bay
    - different rad hoses & possibly a better radiator
    - some exhaust modifications

    If you go turbo you will also need

    - an intercooler radiator & pump for gen1 3sgte
    - a return line to the radiator for the gen1 turbo coolant
    - to cut a hole in your hood for a gen2 3sgte tmic
     
  10. thrill

    thrill Guest

    nah i have an auto tranny, cant handle a 3sgte otherwise i would have been on that, but a second gen 3sge might be able to stick with my tranny now if it'll bolt right up.
     
  11. thrill

    thrill Guest

    at least that'll give me more hp and still not have to go through hell and back.
     
  12. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hard to say.

    A 90-93 celica 3sge would be gen 2
    A 94-96 celica 3sge would be gen 3

    So I'm guessing gen 3?
     
  13. wickyman

    wickyman Guest

    Here is the exact engine you would want... http://www.jdmtigerjapanese.com/product ... cts_id=262

    Beings that this actually says what it is, and what it comes from. It's the same year, but it gives you that distinction of the GE motor. Um, the other one might actually be a GE also? That's weird... I was looking at it, and never knew the camry had the GE engine set up? You learn something new every single day! lol I thought they had a little muscle...
     
  14. thrill

    thrill Guest

    well if i wanted to get a first gen 3sge i may as well get a 5sfe and break even in hp and get better fuel economy.
     
  15. CrazyAchmed

    CrazyAchmed Well-Known Member Donated!

    May want to weigh out the costs of the 5SFE swap to the 3SGE swap. The 3SGE should be direct bolt in for the most part while the 5SFE may require custom mounts. Just something to keep in the back of your head while pricing this out.
     
  16. 86GTMonkey

    86GTMonkey Well-Known Member

    I personally like the 3SGE over the 5SFE, namely because it is a pretty rare motor in North America, and it's a 4th gen. specific motor over here. The 5SFE is good, but it's still basically a stroked 3SFE. Also the only car I've driven with a 5SFE was a camry with a slushbox, so I may be biased that way as well.
     
  17. thrill

    thrill Guest

    i do agree the 3sge will be a direct swap but will it bolt straight up to my 3sfe auto tranny? if so its a fery viable option. besides that ill look into the 5sfe swap also, so see if its worth any extra hassle
     
  18. sr5punk

    sr5punk Well-Known Member

    both are a direct swap, however you will need to change everything over from the 5sfe. dunno bout the tranny on either engine though. if you do go with the 5sfe just get a front clip from a wrecker that has a decent camry or celica. just rip that thing apart and you got your engine. of course it would be wise to rebuild on both engines. which in all sense means that if you were to do a rebuild and dont care about power at all, you might as well rebuild your 3sfe and not spend the extra time and money for a swap. but thats from a strictly "cheap-skate" point of view.
     
  19. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    you will have to do a custom clutch setup (very simple and i recommend it) to use the 3sfe trans.
     

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