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1988 Celica not starting

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by shifrerm, Sep 29, 2014.

  1. shifrerm

    shifrerm Member

    Hi everyone I recently replaced the old starter in my 1988 Celica AllTrac, but still having starting issues.

    The engine turns over and cranks fine but doesn't fire, it sounds like it wants too but just doesn't fire over. I hear a couple of pops and coughs and it smells like combustion but it just isn't firing over. I've replaced the starter, the plugs, the dizzy rotor, as well as the cap. Also I need to use a jumper wire to connect to the body of the starter to a metal spot on the car so the starter can be grounded properly. But the starter is bolted to the transmission so I don't understand why it wouldn't be getting ground. I was wondering if anyone would be able to help me out with this.

    Also when the starter isn't grounded properly, the fuel pump starts wizzing away and doesn't turn off till I remove the key,

    If its any help the previous owner had rerouted the battery to the trunk of the car and there is a big red wire that goes through a box that has streetwire on it.

    Also the motor was swapped it has a 3SGTE (rev.2) from a st185

  2. scottjackson1209

    scottjackson1209 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Where you located? Maybe a local person can have a look at it for you. Pull a spark plug and see if you have spark, if you do then there is a bolt you can loosen to make sure you have fuel flowing...can't remember which bolt it is though...
  3. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I'd start by wiring the battery properly. Sounds like a really bad earth on the car.
    Also there should be ground straps on both sides of the engine going to the chassis.

    I'd run the power wire to the fusebox and starter plus an earth from the battery to the engine bay and straps to the block

    To see if fuel is flowing just loosen the filter banjo or the bolt on the cold injector and see if fuel leaks when you crank

    Was it running when you got it? If not you may be dealing with a mad scientist's wiring effort
    Last edited: Oct 2, 2014
  4. shifrerm

    shifrerm Member

    Hey guys, thanks for the replies, I found out that there was suppose to be a ground going from the bracket of the alternator to the chassis of the engine bay. Now the starter engages, and turns over the motor no problem. However the motor is still not firing it, sounds like it wants too and when I pull the spark plugs out I see fuel on them. I also hear the engine cough a couple of times and even more as soon as I let off the key. Am I missing something?
  5. capotaingowa

    capotaingowa Well-Known Member

    I was just watching your video and noticed that as soon as you attempt to start your temp gauge pegs out..
    I'm thinking that you may have some wires grounding out or connected wrong with the harness.
  6. shifrerm

    shifrerm Member

    I think I found the problem! The engine ground is bolted on to the intake manifold, however I did paint the manifold when I had it off. Could that be the problem, just due to the fact that it isn't making a good ground on the manifold?

    Also thanks for the replies again everyone!

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  7. celicaman

    celicaman Well-Known Member Donated!

    That could be your problem, the ground has to be unpainted. For engine grounds I always sand the ground with some emery cloth
  8. capotaingowa

    capotaingowa Well-Known Member

    That's looks like a really nice wiring diagram would you happen to have one with better quality to share?
  9. celicaman

    celicaman Well-Known Member Donated!

    Like an engine wiring diagram?

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