should get a bump in power as the gen 2 pistons are higher compression. if you werent already youl wanna be running 98 octane and dont go crazy on timing
Thank's Rev-head it's nice to know that but fuel we use little lower up here 93octane super is what I use 98 is only available down in the coast it's all fine.
It will work but you lose the benefit of the gen2 cams which don't fit the gen1 head I also thought of porting the gen2 head to take the gen1 inlet manifold, I'm sure it can be done. I think you should at least re-con the head and block, the valve seals will be hard and the bearings/rings will be near finished. A ST182 harness should fit, what I mean is the ECU section only Here's the gen2 block/gen1 head Gen2 block, FE head, Gen2 exhaust Another option is to use the 5S Camry crank and pistons with GE rods, skim the block and head, remove 3mm from the pistons and re-size the crank to 3S big ends or use 5S rods which aren't as strong
Thank's Kevin but I think I am just going to keep it plain and simple use the MR2 block which is nothing wrong with and remove my T-VIS cyl-head from my old motor remember it's a GTE turbo with cam's and have the head redone by the engineers for my header's also thinking of using the old one it's 4/1 will take picture of it because you said the firing order was wrong just want to confirm maybe I must port the exhaust side will see then
Put the exhaust next to each other and show us - I think the MR2 exhaust will be better for torque and make more power over the 4-1 system, and it looks closer to those offered by HKS etc. Remember Yamaha was behind the head design at a time when 2L 16V engines were new and all the rage and Toyota needed to establish themselves as a serious sports car maker - the rest is history. If you don't use the gen2 head/cams you can use the cams to grind some mean cams for the gen1 head, the gen1 cams are lacking in lift and duration and the lobes are a lot smaller
I think I should do that with the cams now what size should I cut them at 288 deg or 276deg then will I have to re-shim as well if so what size?Will be taking picture's of header's soon.
There are quite a few turbo cars here running 280deg+, so I think that will work OK. With 16v engines it's not so much the timing but lift is a factor as well, lift is limited to 8,5mm with the gen1 head, 9,5mm with the gen2 head and 10,5mm with the gen3.(rough guide) With a 16-20v it's possible to "stall" airflow by keeping the valves open too long, same goes for porting 2 stroke and rotary motors. Many confuse 8V and 16V cam timing, you just can't compare the two directly as the flow rates are completely different. So the later 3S motors may have "crappy" valve timing at 1st glance, they in fact flow more due to the added valve lift I think we need to experiment with cams to find the best combo for each head type
Here are some picture's that I put together the two diff.. header's block's are the same but gen2 has huge piston very high compared to the one's I had mine where flat. the cams are the black plastic is Mr2 cams the cam lobes are sharper as well in the blue background are the gte head one my tvis intake I was happy I had that removed I found a loose butterfly and bolt's hanging it would have not been long before they came off will tighten everything again and clean them I see there is no need for porting they are very big as they are now I will be needing gasket for the intake Tvis I should be able to get head gasket around here I hope
Use the gen2 one, the other the primaries are too short and the firing order is wrong. Use the gen2 pistons if you can, but honestly you need new o/s pistons and a rebore + bearings You can't swap them around but you can cut the gen2 down to gen1 specs No porting needed other than to smooth casting marks, I also remove the sharp edge in the chambers as air doesn't flow well around corners. TVIS is a problem for all, the screw threads need to be peened with a hammer so they can never come loose Probably cheaper to buy a head set? 5S gasket will work but better to use a metal gen3 type Can you repair your old head? Which head are you going to use?
Yes Kevin my old is repairable and going to use that .I just came from the engineering shop and they will be doing my old head up skimmed and cleaned, welded where needed they will be cutting my gen2 cam's to 280deg and will be extending my existing valves to suit the same shim thickness so there I will be fine thanks for the tip's on the header's will be using the old one just to start her up then take the Genie one's in they will need to be mod with a 55mm pipe and two boxes all the way to the back going to remove cat as well all that after she is running.Price for this head is R2400.00 incl cams.
One question I got to ask to do all 3sge motors have knock sensor's on them because it look's like mine gen1 does not have one or maybe some where else the gen2 as one in the centre of block would like to know.
Ha thanks Sean I was not sure so that gen2 block I am using as one there will be no diff... if I don't connect that then?Just leave it there.
That is the downfall of the gen1 block/ecu - the turbo does have it though! I have it fitted but there's no way to get it working with the gen1 GE ecu I have some new H/Gaskets and lose gasket sets if you need
Thanks Kevin I would have taken those you got but I did find the Head gasket from a Rav4 very expensive thou and it's not even the steel type, for the intake I was thinking of using an expensive type of gasket sealer only no gaskets, oil seals also got from Bearing man cheap I should be getting my cyl-head tomorrow and I will post some picture's of it.You can e-mail me those price's on that gasket set you got because I am still going to need it one day I put the other engine together and it's a good to have spare.
I don't have or buy full sets, here we buy them seperate. OEM gasket set is something like $400.(R3000) There are a few cheap sets on OZ ebay, also some cheap in USA, ie - http://www.trademotion.com/parts/19...group=ENGINE&component=VALVE GRIND GASKET KIT Normally I find them on TradeME with some parts missing, at SupaCheap Auto I think I paid $25ea for the rocker gaskets last time and $50 for the distributor kit What happened to Eportuning.com? are they still in business as a full gasket set was under $100 I'm sure the guys here will point us to some cheaper gasket sets. I won't try gumming the intake manifold, those TVIS gaskets are pretty thin and already prone to leaks Spotted these as well: http://www.trademe.co.nz/Browse/Listing.aspx?id=491798564
I have gone and get my cyl-head today it all looks good welded and skimmed cam's are now cut to a profile of 9.6 and 280deg for my cyl-head gasket there is only a few holes for the water jacket around the piston area that's not very much the same as the old one should all hole's be there or do I just punch in new one's? For the intake it's not available around here found a guy that make's gasket Gasketman in wadevalle He will be cutting some for me.Can't wait to do this motor this week-end. Questionso I have to change the injector's to bigger or are they good?. The fuel pump will it be fine for this setup?. Ecu will it be fine as standard?. compression should now be around 10.5 timing do I leave it at TDC? Cam timing marks got a arrow facing up with slot on it do both face the same way when on marks? Thanks in advance will put picture's up soon cell phone issues again lol
Pump & injectors should be OK at your altitude, best is get a dyno tune once it's running to confirm. You can always use the gen2 injectors if needed, but will need to swap the connectors as well Need to see the H/Gasket, some FE gaskets don't have enough holes for good flow. I always drill my gen1 heads to promote flow as well as I don't believe the water flows properly above the chambers. Later heads have even more holes and bigger water chambers. the 503 race heads have even more ECU should be good, you can richen it up if needed by adjusting the AFM. Cams have cutouts near the pulleys to line them up What worries me is if the cams were cut, do you still have enough lobe for the shims? My stock cams are at the shim limit already (3.2mm). Check your shim clearances - 0.15 inlet and 0.20 exhaust are the ideal
Kevin thank's here are the pictures of cyl-head gasket new old one on top of new only two hole's short but the new hole's are tiny to the old one the cyl-head with cam's in it I will check for the clearance it should be fine because they done the whole thing for me still the same shim's and they ext the valves welded part on head where it used to leak bottom side of it skimmed that's all for now.