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Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by fernandocelica, Jun 9, 2011.

  1. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    No offence at all it's good to know that Mafix that's a flat rubbish I will be trying another type soon lol.
    I was was told that I need to change my ECU so that it can Idle properly with the 280deg cam is that true I am stuck with
    this shit I removed head again and took it back to the guy's that did it so that they can re-shim it again and make sure it's right
    hopefully that will solve the problem.
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    That gauge definitely isn't right
    The cams (HKS) at 280deg run fine on a GTE with a light flywheel, lumpy idle but very lively. The guys I know have Link ECU's but your's should work fine.
    If your shims were out it would clack like a train when cold.
    I still believe you have a cam timing issue or TVIS is jammed or a major vacuum/air leak.
    Large duration cams will drop your compression so don't be alarmed if the compression is lower than expected.
     
  3. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    I worked on car the whole weekend again it still was missing but got it to idle after I retarded the timing a bit still is a struggle to get it to idle properly thou I left it like that for now will be taking it to friend mac up the road from me He said that he will remap the whole thing for me I must admit that 280deg on a n/a street car is little to much not very nice to drive around town with it.
    But when I put foot flat down boy this car move's even spin's 3rd gear and rev's easy up to 7000rev very easy so I am happy and sad at the same time hoping that the mac can get it to idle better and smoother.One more thing with all this work of removing and fitting motor I am going to need a another power steering oil tank mine broke off on the pipe.
     
  4. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    got it to idle after I retarded the timing a bit

    your timing is out. my guess is mechanical timing. or your valves are not closing. either way this points to the issue.
     
  5. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Mafix I think you may be just right with this there are two exhaust valves that are tight the 20mm filler gauge goes in only if I force it in will try that first will shim those two again first then put back the timing to TDC again try Thanks Mafix will keep posted by tomorrow but she move's like hell having fun wonder what HP she as.
     
  6. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    I am very upset my friend so called mechanic did not get it better than what I had it it's a lot worse now took my car back home
    and will start from the beginning again but he as been touching my air flow meter on the inside and adjusting throttle body what now will I ever get this back to it's original specs changed my old injector's back said the gen2 where to big oh man the worst thing is that now I hear a noise in the engine can't really tell what it is sound's like to me that it's pinging and losing compression from one piston to another maybe my cyl-head gasket is gone again hope not.
     
  7. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Check the clearances again -
    You shouldn't push the feeler gauge in, it's a pita as often I've set them and then had to go and set them again.
    This will affect your idle and compression (as Willie said) and more important you could burn valves very easily, it's always better to err on the loose side than go too tight.
    The old folks always had a saying - "A loose tappet is a happy tappet" - still true today

    The AFM dial - you should mark it before making any changes. Basically anti clockwise = richer and clockwise = leaner.
    Go too far either way and it affects the idle

    Yes the gen2 (315's) I think are too rich for your altitude, I'm running 5S-FE (300's) now at sea level and I think still a little rich but hard to tell without getting it on the dyno.
    At 4km above sea level I think you will be better with the stock 246cc browns as those were intended for sea level use

    You need better friends with some electrical and engine knowledge?
    See if you can find Nols Corneillesen in Turffontein - he was doing Haltech conversions and building 400hp 4A-GTE's when last I saw him.
    Mannie Maringues has a shop opp Pure & Cool on Jules str (next to Viva Engineering) but I believe he's crazy expensive,
    at least these guys have heard of 3S motors
    My best mate Mark works for Viva and he's a sharp mechanic & ex racer but not good with electrics - 084 328 2379
     
    Last edited: Jul 28, 2012
  8. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hey you are right Kevin I will phone Mark and see if he can help me Thanks for the information .
     
  9. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    He has a g/f in Dinwiddie and can help or knows people who can help, tell him I said he needs to see what a real engine looks like (He's a pro on Beetle and Golf engines)
     
  10. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Yes I will tell him that will let you know what he say's
     
  11. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Kevin I spoke to your friend Mark and he said he could not really help cause he only work's on diesel motor's but gave me some tip's
    and asked how you are and if married yet I told him you are doing ok and still have a girlfriend I hope that was fine lol.
    He also asked do you remember Mike Mitten if yes it's sad for you to know he as passed away due to cancer sorry mate he had a very very big funeral and Mark send's Regard's to you all.
    Back to my car I got it to work again the way I had it timing was on TDC it does not want to be like that.
     
  12. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Pity, Mark is a genius with modding race engines but has lost all motivation in life - sorry. I saw myself going the same way after finding my ex of 10yrs in bed with her brother......long story, but a big part of why I ended up here.

    Mike Mitton was the leader of Chapter 13, the meanest of the mean and himself jailed a few times for rape (boys and girls) and greivous harm/homocide etc.
    I think the world is better now we don't have him screamin down the highway taking pot shots at cars and crapping on lounge suites at the Elangeni Hotel (we used to go there for ice cream on a sunday morning, 1200km in under 7hrs)

    Timing needs to be 10deg before TDC. I set my car by ear to where it wants to idle best and that's around 20deg BTCD which is too much due to the cam mods so at 10deg it sounds a little rough but pulls smoothly and doesn't detonate.
     
  13. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks kevin don't worry about Mark not being able to help we all understand and at least you tried helping I will try and retard the timing a little more and see if that help's.
    That Mike story sound's like the other leader we have around here which is Mikey Shooles maybe you have heard of him too.People like that I have no time for my God bless those that's all we can say.
     
  14. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    If it were me I'd be there 24/7 till we got it sorted....

    Put your hand or a piece of cardboard over the exhaust at idle - the pulses should be smooth with no hiccups
    If it's not smooth the chances are 90% your cam timing is out

    Here you see I mark the pulley and belt with a china marker to get a better view, dunno if you can see the other line but this was 1 tooth off before.
    The ridges on the inner cover are a good TDC indicator - so not neccessary to remove the rocker cover

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    I mark both belts and pulleys before doing anything so if something slips I can see it straight away, put a long nall on the cam bolt and visualise a line to the belt, then draw your marks.
    Sounds easly/stupid but the rear cam is a pita to see properly and super easy to f/up
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    Bottom pulley must be in line, here you can see I marked both sides to get a better view
    [​IMG]

    If one is out - loosen the tensioner and push it back with one hand while locking it down with a 14 ring spanner in the other hand (DON'T use open spanners, unless you like broken fingers and bolts),
    then pull the belt upward between the two cam pulleys, this gives enough slack to move the pulley.

    Clamp the other pulley with a small clamp or locking plier, peg etc.
    Put a 14 spanner on the cam bolt and slowly pull the belt off the pulley
    till it's off, keep it there while you move the pulley with the spanner to the correct position and slowly push the belt back on.

    Hold the belt on the pulley while you undo the tensioner, leave it undone and check ALL your marks.
    Tighten the tensioner slightly and then turn the crank with a 19 socket on a power bar, turn it 2x around in a clockwise direction (NEVER turn anti-clocwise, even if you miss your mark!)

    RE-check your marks and tension, don't be tempted to remove all slack as this will wreck the bearings.
    Loosen the tensioner and flex the belt between the oil pulley and tensioner to see the tensioner moving and not stuck - tighten the tensioner.

    Turn the motor forward again 2 revolutions and check again - repeat if neccessary

    The motor should now idle smoothly - if not check the timing with a light on the 10deg mark.
    If the idle is still not even chances are you have a bad plug, rotor, wire, or cap - if not I'm afraid you may have a tight or dead valve/s

    Hope this helps
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2012
  15. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Its much easier to set the timing with the valve covers off!

    Not practical but you can get a proper idea about the rear cam! a little more work for a lot less hassle
     
  16. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    lol Sean - try telling that to GTE owners and you will learn some new swear words

    I already showed Fernando that, this is the quick & easy way
     
    Last edited: Jul 31, 2012
  17. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Always had GE's never worked on a GTE
    Its defo a PITA to work on it like that, but from the times i didnt know about the cam markings i found a small mirror was a lifesaver!
     
  18. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Kevin Thanks for that good info I have done it just as you explain it but still no luck I am on my way to my Brother in Pretoria he
    should be able to help just I don't like asking to much favour's from him but a very good Motor mac this will be my last change let's
    see what will he come up with.Sean you dam right this is a pita to work on but now after maybe 10time's on off with the timing belt
    I now become a pro find it very easy lol.
     
  19. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    Guy's came back from my brother and was told that the cam's are to wild for this application I am on,example fuel management system,air flow meter and so on which is still standard so was told that he can get it to idle better only by changing the pulley's into vernier type pulley's and play around with the cam timing then thing's will be better.So should I will be on the look out for those pulley's or should I wait for more info before I waste money.
     
  20. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    I have been quite lately because my ride just as been standing with problems after problems.
    What I need to find out now is the gen1 cyl head intake manifold going to fit my gen2 cyl-head with out having to use acis want to
    keep it T-vis.
     

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