I found an immaculate stripped ST202 today, the brakes and struts are still complete. I've heard of people fitting the 202 disk & caliper but I was thinking of swapping the struts, hubs etc in one foul swoop. I already have a larger Windom brake master waiting to go in as well. I'm happy with the current rear end, so will leave it alone, the 202 rear hubs etc don't look that different. Will it work?, fit? Do the 162 driveshafts fit or must I grab them as well? What parts don't I need? ie the struts look the same but could be longer/shorter etc ps. my car has 16' gen7 rims fitted already + a spare
I'm going to grab them and find out the hard way.... If all else fails I could always sell whats left over
ST202 brake conversion I did a lot of cross checking between the 16x, 18x and 20x and ended up just taking the disks and calipers from the 202. It looks like they are all interchangeable, the 202 disks I have are the same diameter as the 18x but a few mm thicker. The 20x caliper piston is huge and the pads are a lot bigger. The 20x dust shields are very different but I won't be putting shields back in as I like to see the disks & they trap stones! From what I could see, it's not worth the effort/expense of using 18x items. I've been using 18x pads for years anyway (covers the disk more, just grind the tabs back) I'm away for a few days but will let you know how the swap goes and do write-up if anybody is interested.
it sounds like an interesting swap. i know 205 stuff doesn't fit right on but if 202 does it will be a nice upgrade.
st202 brake conversion, 16x-202 comparison 205?, doubt I'll ever even get my grubby paws on one - those things are scarce here! 202's are a plague here, I think the rally guys grabbed all the 205's long ago. From the side the differences between 16x, 18x, 202 aren't impressive but the 202 is a cheap worthwhile upgrade and impressive viewed from the front. Here's a pad comparison between the 3, you can see the 182 pad does fit with the tabs filed down and covers some dead space not used by the 162 at the bottom of the disk. The 202 pad is a lot bigger and will give way more mileage in normal driving conditions
st162 DIY brake upgrades I haven't had time to pull it all apart yet The 182 rotor is slightly bigger and thicker than the 162, and needs the 182 caliper. The 202 rotor is the same size as the 182 but about 5mm thicker with bigger calipers/pads and needs 15in wheels to clear the caliper. I don't see any benefit in using the 182 gear unless your rotors are history and there aren't any 202's available, but the pads can be used in a stock 162 if modified as shown.(makes your std disks look bigger as well!) Don't get confused with 165, 185, 205 setups as they are even more different and from what I've heard will not fit the 162. I'm starting to have serious doubts though. Here's a rally st165 with what appears to be 202 front calipers and aftermarket (or slotted std?) 202 disks with wheel spacers. UPDATE: I made an interesting discovery today, the early Camry's have the same hardware! The JDM 2.2l version has 202 type disks and calipers The JDM 3l V6 has twin pot calipers and bigger disks which look like 205 items Which is great news considering I already have a V6 Camry Master cylinder which is a LOT bigger than the standard item and the bottles are interchangable. Pipes should be easy to move if done carefully. Here's a disk comparison (not to be confused with the 162, 182, 202)
If that's the case, there are a ton of options. I did a check on the 202 pads and these models all have the same rotors/calipers Lexus LS400 1989-1992 Lexus ES300 1991-1996 Toyota Celsior 1989-1992 Toyota Windom 1991-1996 Toyota Avalon 1995-2000 Toyota Celica ST202 1994 -1999 Toyota Soarer Coupe (two options)
I've recently done this conversion, but went a step further and used the ST202 (non superstrut) front hubs - these are identical aside from a wider bottom ball joint, but the ST16x version bolts straight up. This means you can simply use the Gen6 hub/caliper/carrier/pad. The only real difference is the ABS sensor mounting position, but obviously only an issue if you have ABS. The upgrade over the stock brakes is absolutely massive and, on my car at least, feels absolutely fine with the standard BMC & servo. The only gotchya's to watch for is obviously ensuring you have a non-superstrut donor (for instance all UK ST202 GT's are non-SS), and to ensure you have the GT-spec brakes, as there are many other lesser spec brakes on Gen6's. Cheers, Jon
My understanding is that the 204 (202) calipers are the same as the S2 185 calipers and with the bigger disks are a heappppppp better than the twin piston setup of the 185/165 fronts If the 202's are a plague ther (here they are mostly in really good condition) out of interest how much would it be for the calipers?
The large ST182 single-pot setup is slightly different again to the ST202 version; it's still a good upgrade over stock ST162 though. I paid £40 for the pair of the calipers with pad carrier/torque plates. The only thing I did was re-grease the sliders and worked the piston in & out a couple of times. I actually have a spare pair of calipers but one of the pad carriers was seized and died in my attempts to separate. Over here motorfactors are selling off new old stock very cheaply so I was able to pick up new discs & pads for £40 (ebay). Jon
Glad to see someone else is thinking laterally I could have bought the 182 stuff but the 202 was the same price, bigger and newer. Glad to hear you didn't need to upgrade the m/cyl as well. Next time I'm going to grab the V6 Camry stuff as I think it's the same as the 205 I'm paying NZ$25 p/caliper and NZ$20 p/disk, man they are HEAVY. The 202 caliper alone is over 5kg
Got em fitted at last http://st162.net/forums/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=3828&p=50626#p50626 Not as easy as I thought, you need a custom spacer jon is right, easier to change the whole hub - thanks jon!
Good stuff Just to confirm if swapping hubs you need to use the gen4 bottom ball joint, not the gen6 one (otherwise it won't match up to the wishbone).
