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So I replaced my engine and transmission... [huge post, lots of pics]

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by Mechazawa, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    Oh god where do I start.
    So I got my coupe about a year ago and it seemed like everything was wrong with it.
    It had like 270,000 miles on it, the brakes were shot and pulsating really bad, it had two completely different front struts, two flat tires, worn out rattly steering rack,
    it leaked/burned oil at about a quart every few days, the clutch was worn out..
    The guy I bought it from had put a junkyard Camry engine in it that had about 170,000 miles to begin with without replacing any seals or anything.
    It was so bad.

    So immediately I put in new brakes/hoses and correct struts with new cartridges.
    I got lucky and found two ST162s at the local yard and got a new hood, driver's side door, and trunk lid.
    Then last week, with the help of a friend I installed a '95 JDM 3S-FE and '96 S51 with a new clutch and Speed Source solid poly mounts.
    I can't thank my buddy enough for helping me out with this, it took a week.
    Also thanks to this forum for all the technical info, it helped a lot along the way.



    The new engine
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    Replaced ALL seals, water pump, and timing belt
    (Drive a screw into the seal and pry it out. Oil the new seal and use the old seal to drive the new one in with a mallet.)
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    An S51 out of a '96 Camry, only 100,000 miles
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    New slave cylinder
    Make sure to grease the input shaft
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    Taking out the old engine
    Remove the hood, airbox, and battery. Disconnect the wiring harness and lay aside. Remove the subframe.
    Up to this took a whole day.
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    I didn't feel comfortable pulling the entire powertrain out of the top in one piece, so I separated them.
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    Hoist
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    The old transmission, it had like a half inch of crud in the bottom (yes, I turned the throw out bearing around)
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    The old clutch surprisingly still had some material left. It was very weak
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    All the stuff that's not going back in
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    These mounts are the best, I would recommend them to anyone.
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    Clean in there now while you have the chance!
    This is a good view of my new steering rack and heater hoses.
    Also the entire AC and power steering systems have been removed (both didn't work anyway). The speed sensor and reverse sensor have been transferred over.
    I didn't even need to remove the wheels or axles.
    This was at the end of day three.
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    Intake and exhaust manifolds and fuel rail transferred over with new gaskets.
    The throttle body and intake were incredibly dirty due to the vacuum leaks, so I replaced all the vacuum lines and plugged all ports controlling AC and power steering.
    Also, a new clutch!
    This kit is for the '87 Celica, the clutch cover is different. The fork that hold the throw out bearing is different; I had to use the old one.
    Also I couldn't use the new valve cover either as it was too tall.
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    Then, I found this..
    This was apparently laying on the pipe that goes to the EGR valve and may have been the cause of the starter issue (it starts just fine every time now).
    I repaired these sections with bare butt connectors, shrink wire wrap, and electrical tape.
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    I put the new engine in separated the same way I removed the old one.
    With the hoist holding the engine, I used a jack to lift the transmission into place and married them. (Why doesn't Toyota put pilots in these things?)
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    It's in! This was middle of day four.
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    Reconnect the wiring harness, put the subframe in with the new mounts, and reconnect the axles.
    I didn't have any trouble lining up the mounts because I put them on the subframe and raised the subframe into position with the engine hanging from the driver's side and passenger's side mounts.
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    All of the adjustments were maxed out in one direction or another, the timing was all the way late, the idler bypass was halfway open, the throttle stop was open, and it had massive vacuum leaks. It ran really rich. All that's fixed now.
    The result is really good. Lots of power, it's really solid. The engine doesn't move around. The clutch take-up is early and strong and it's not that bad not having power steering.
    It's just a little heavy.

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    The JDM timing cover has no inspection port, you have to remove the entire cover if you want to check the timing.
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    The steering rack just has plugs in it to hold back the lube.
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    The engine was $750
    The transmission was $150
    The clutch was $150
    The timing belt, seals and components were $100
    The swap cost a little over $1,000 after it was all done
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2012
  2. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    very nice build! love it. although, i'd recommend upgrading to gt-s axles... gt/st ones suck
     
  3. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    well done! Might move this to Members rides.
     
  4. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    very nice! it looks all stock and clean!
     
  5. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    why did you not feel comfortable pulling the motor out of the top?......took me less than 45 minutes to pull my fe out. complete and out of the top......nice going though i would have kept the p.s. system.
     
  6. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    The driver's side hook started bending, it almost let go. :(

    Also the replacement rack that I ordered took different fittings than the power steering lines on my car. I still have all the parts, so I could restore it someday.
     
  7. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    ah. so it does happen, my GE motor's got a bent driver's side hook
     
  8. spiedr0722

    spiedr0722 Well-Known Member Donated!

    Which yard did you go too? Ive had no luck finding any ST162's here in Greenville...
     
  9. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Welcome and good effort, nice to see one getting repaired
    I won't take it out the top again either, too high, too much weight and you have to tilt the crap out of it.
    If a chain or hook snaps your motor and car get buckled!

    What is the colour and p/n no's on the old/new injectors? looks like yellow?
    EGR uses much bigger versions so swapping might be a mistake

    Can you show me the non-JDM cam inspection cover?

    Is the Camry gearing shorter or longer?
     
    Last edited: Sep 17, 2012
  10. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    LKQ on white horse rd. at one time they had two but i haven't seen any since
     
  11. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    I pulled the tranny off first so i wouldn't have to tilt it.

    the new engine did not come with an EGR also the injectors where different so i had to swap them.

    I don't have the old inspection cover

    first gear is shorter, the rest are taller. I like the camry gears better.
     
  12. spiedr0722

    spiedr0722 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I kinda figured it'd be LKQ! O well I haven't been able to locate one anywhere for parts...
     
  13. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Yeah tilting is a no-no, esp on your own. And the hooks aren't up to supporting the box as well, I chucked all my hooks and only use bolt-in plates for lifting now.
    Glad you like the gearing, sounds like you had a 4.2 and the new one is a 3.9
    I need to know what the injectors are, what are the no's on the JDM ones?
    The EGR ones are bigger so I need to know what they are.

    Is the EGR connected? JDM doesn't have holes for it? Can't see how you got it working

    Why didn't you swap the inspection cover over?
     
  14. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!


    First of all, i got the engine from JEI of Norcross GA.
    It came out of a 1995 Japanese camry(the US was only using the 5s-fe in the camry at that time)
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    As you can see in the first pic it was only a long block with the distributor, spark plugs, fuel rail,(could not use) oil filter, pressure plate/bolts, and injectors.
    It has an 8 bolt crank and no counter balance shaft. It still had that authentic Japanese red coolant.

    These are the injectors that came on the new engine.
    one side says denso and the other side has the numbers: 23250-74040. the numbers on the upper part are: 20 then 5360. and on the other side: U and 524. (that is ALL the numbers)
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    This is the distributor, (i could not use. also the wires said 1995 on them) and the oil filter (no english on the oil filter. i had to stabb it with a screw driver to get it off)
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    Also my EGR valve fit just fine right where it was supposed to,(i cleaned it out) and the new timing belt cover was cleaner and looked nicer so i left it on.

    P.S. I found the tranny on craigslist from a '96 manual camry and that's where i also got the flywheel and bolts i also had the flywheel resurfaced on a flywheel specific stone grinder machine.
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  15. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    So now you're saying it's a 5S-FE, not a 3S-FE?

    All you need is the injector p/n, then go to http://www.witchhunter.com/injectordata1.php4 and look them up
    Those yellows are 210cc which is weird cuz the JDM 87-89 3S-FE uses 225cc injectors and the EGR cars are way bigger than that. JDM 5S are bigger and the EGR 5S are bigger still.

    What injectors are in the car now?

    Where does your EGR bolt to the exhaust? or is it on the head? The JDM does not have an EGR port in the head so I'm confused how you got it working and maybe why you have feulling problems

    You accidentally bought the right motor, the later 5S motors have way better porting, pistons, cams etc,
    So for once someone has used the right combination.
    The exhaust you have now is killing the motor, try to find a later Camry exhaust or a JDM exhaust for it,
    the stock 87-89 3S-FE exhaust is woefully small all the way to the back
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  16. Redrkt01

    Redrkt01 Well-Known Member

    I'm confused as all get out! So earlier there is a pic of what is claimed to be (and what I believe to be) a JDM 5S. Then I see a pic of a USDM 3S being pulled. Then there is a pic of the swap being completed with what appears to be the same USDM 3S being pulled. These posts are super inconsistent or the pics uploaded are the wrong ones.
     
  17. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    No, the guy at JEI told me it was a '95 3s-fe. and the valve cover said 2000 on it and the plug wires said 1995 on them.

    The injectors on the car now are from the old engine which came from an american '91 camry. I don't know what parts are from the '87 celica or the '91 camry

    the EGR pipe goes into the head.
     
  18. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    i swapped the valve cover from the old engine
     
  19. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Afaik he swapped the injectors, manifolds, rocker covers, distributor over from the 5S

    If it is a JDM 95 3S or 4S motor then it's not from a Celica or camry, most likely a Corona motor which was soon replaced by the 3S-FE D4 type

    4S motor - note the crank and exhaust, inlet, coil pack etc
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    Camry 5S exhaust (1995)
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    3S-FE D4
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    Easy to spot the better heads (background) has more ribs
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    You put 5S injectors in a 3S?
    Where? there is no holes on the JDM motors

    The later (93-) JDM motors have a vastly improved inlet, which I don't see here either
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    I agree Kev, this thread is misleading which is a pity as the majority of members have 3S-FE's and looking to upgrade/replace in the near future.
    This info could could be beneficial to a LOT of people and I still think the 93- 5S is a viable cheap upgrade for those guys as the power is on par with Gen1 GE motors at a fraction of the cost, less fuel consumption, easier to work on, easier parts availabilty, .......
     
    Last edited: Sep 18, 2012
  20. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    Welcome and nice work on your swap.
     

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