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Needing help locating a transmission part online...

Discussion in 'Drivetrain' started by 5678tyui, Jul 15, 2016.

  1. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    I am needing to locate and purchase online a transmission part called a "slider" for the 5th gear.


    I've seen a part called a "slider fork" (not sure it was for my transmission though). The mechanic said that I needed a fork and slider. He has the fork but a slider (made of iron) is needed.


    My car is an 88, usa built, gt, 3sfe, convertible, 5 speed (supposedly a 5fmtm transmission?). Also, I've called Toyota and been under the car...what transmission type or model do I have?


    Please let me know if can clarify anything.


    Honestly, hoping to get a link to the part. Any guidance appreciated. Thank you.
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Hi
    Your gearbox will be a S52 or S53 - there are major differences between 5th gear on these two boxes.
    Some pics would be helpful as I'm not familiar with the term "slider"
    There is a breakdown on my page as I had issues with 5th gear play causing it to slip out of other gears as well, here is some reading -
    http://www.st162.net/forum/showthre...ore-jdm-oddities&p=37273&viewfull=1#post37273
    http://www.st162.net/forum/showthre...own-amp-findings&p=29962&viewfull=1#post29962
    http://www.st162.net/forum/showthre...ore-jdm-oddities&p=45855&viewfull=1#post45855
    http://www.st162.net/forum/showthre...ore-jdm-oddities&p=48124&viewfull=1#post48124

    If you can show us the slider we can then find the p/n and source it, a good source is Toyodiy, this was my car -
    http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_E_1987_TOYOTA_CELICA_ST162L-BLMVFG_3305.html
     
  3. lone wolf

    lone wolf Well-Known Member Donated!

    Stig is still around !!!! :)
     
  4. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    Thanks Stig for that information. Much more relieved now.

    I found the transmission code metal plate in engine compartment and it says S53.

    Regarding the "slider", so that you know, I'm working with a hispanic(mexican) mechanic so there's an english-spanish thing. However, he still calls it slider.

    Slider does not come up much when doing a search, though, I have seen it called a "synchro sleeve" or "sleeve". Indeed, I just saw a video on how manual transmissions work and about the synchro cone, hub, and sleeve. I do believe the slider is a sleeve. Also the fork, another part that was needed that the mechanic had, apparently goes around the sleeve (right?). My point is, that could be indicative or confirming in someway.

    I will call the mechanic Monday and ask him if the slider could be a sleeve.

    The following link is the same toyodiy link you sent me. On this page there is a part called a "SLEEVE, TRANSMISSION HUB NO.[1,2,3]". Could this be the part I need? If so, which number do I need?

    http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_E_1987_TOYOTA_CELICA_ST162L-BLMVFG_3305.html


    The following link is a diagram that came up when I searched "s53 33395-32010" (the latter number is the part number for the SLEEVE, TRANSMISSION HUB NO.3). I send this for our visual reference.

    http://japancars.ru/index.php?route...&area=US&cat=252460&blk_id=3305&pn=3333120061


    Lastly, the following is a similar link to the Toyotdiy link you sent me except it results the search criteria for my particular. The results don't seem much if any different, but thought to send it anyway.

    http://www.toyodiy.com/parts/p_U_198708_TOYOTA_CELICA_ST162L-BCMSKA_3305.html


    Thanks again.
     
    Last edited: Jul 16, 2016
  5. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    Hey Stig,

    The mechanic confirmed that the sleeve no.3 is the part I need. I'm thinking about going down to the wrecking yard to pulled it.

    The mechanic went through how to pull the part (in Spanish). Didn't sound that hard. If understood him, a 12 socket takes off the transmission cover on the passenger side. Then a key and rings are remove, etc.

    Is it difficult to do? What tools would you bring? Thanks.
     
  6. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Its been ages since I worked on one.
    I strongly suggest you get a bgb or print out the toyodiy page, mabey someone here can post the exploded diagram?

    From the pic you posted all you need to do is unbolt the fork and slide everything from the primary shaft, complete with fork

    You still dont say what the problem you had is?
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2016
  7. 5678tyui

    5678tyui Well-Known Member Donated!

    I have to say that I'm not sure what the problem actually was. In other words, I know I needed a sleeve and fork but I'm not sure why. For example, was the sleeve worn or missing teeth? Please let me know if that clarifies or if can clarify more.

    Thanks for the instructions on the removal! Cheers.

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    Update:

    I just got the below response from scarney1988. It says basically the same as you mentioned and thought to share it.

    "According to shopkey5 you will remove a bolt which locks the shift fork into the shift rod. Then bolts (it omits size and thread pitch) are inserted into three holes to remove hub + sleeve+ shift fork all at same time. Next you use a two jaw gear puller to remove the actual 5th gear.

    That would be procedure to get all of the 5th gear set.

    Did you notice if the holes were threaded? Just want to make sure this service manual is correct.

    In my experience once you get the shift fork lock down bolt removed you would probably be okay to use a hammer and brass drift (if space allows)."
     
    Last edited: Jul 25, 2016
  8. scarney1988

    scarney1988 New Member

    I would not be surprised if u can remove all but 5th gear without bolts (as/instructions). Toyota likes 8 & 10 x 1.25 thread pitch.

    When I mention about the drift punch I suggest striking where shift fork meets the shift rod. Might not be necessary, but worth bringing if you have it. In theory once shift fork will slide off shaft the sleeve should come off with it. Then u can use bolts (if necessary) to remove the hub. Synchronizer components should fall out. Then you can pull of 5th gear, if it looks worth reusing.

    Have you considered ordering OEM new parts if they are still available? I suggest using new synchronizers at a minimum.

    I suspect you will find broken shift fork bushing inserts (usually plastic). Once they crack excessive play is introduced and synchronizer engagement becomes ... problematic. Could have just work out synchronizers though. Wouldn't be unheard of.

    If there is hard parts missing teeth (hub, sleeve, 5th gear, etc...) then you really should split case to remove the debris to prevent it causing havoc.

    Again, my experience is with Subaru MTs not Toyota MTs so please verify info.

    Best of luck.
     

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