Losing bottom end power and engine temp gauge crazies

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by aaron, Mar 3, 2012.

  1. Zaluss

    Zaluss Well-Known Member Donated!

    Harbor Freight is a nice store. Cheap taiwanese tools and an extremely low price. Great for the home mechanic but really bad if your using them professionally. Most of my tools come from HF with the exception of some air tools. Just like 4thgenceli...jack stands, sockets, wrenches, you name it they got it.
     
  2. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    So I'm still having the power problems, and now it sounds like I have a spun bearing in the gearbox somewhere.

    With the clutch engaged, I get an intermittent crunchy bearing noise that's progressively getting worse. I'll be changing the tranny oil on Tuesday to see if it helps.

    Also while I'm driving, it feels like something is restricting the engine/gearbox if I push my foot down too far and every now and then it gets a boost of power like whatever is restricting gets out of the way, and if I let off the throttle it goes back to being restricted. The T-VIS wouldn't make that much of a difference if it wasn't working properly would it?
    It's really starting to annoy me, having to shift down to get some more power. It seems to only happen below 3k RPM.
    aaron.
     
  3. ST165-2765

    ST165-2765 Well-Known Member Donated!

    T-vis shouldn't even be open below 3000 rpm. I do believe T-vis is designed to boost bottom end power,
    perhaps your T-vis is intermitently stuck open. I don't know how much power you loose with a stuck open T-vis.
     
  4. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I was thinking it might have a dodgy ground connection or something because sometimes after I switch my engine off and then switch the ignition back to ON, my T-VIS light comes on :/

    I'm sure the T-VIS wouldn't cause that much power loss though, it's so bad that if I don't shift down I start to lose speed.

    I'll check it out tomorrow when my engine is cool.

    aaron.
     
  5. The3sgtestarlet

    The3sgtestarlet Well-Known Member

    I have a feeling your ecu is in limp mode, causing the no load/power bottom end.


    Remove the ecu power fuse or disconnect the battery and see how it goes. Trust me, i have experienced this with my 3sgte starlet.
     
  6. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I'll give it a go. What would have set it off though?
    AFAIK limp mode is a symptom, not a cause.

    The only other thing to go wrong before I started losing power was the temp gauge connection coming loose.

    aaron.
     
  7. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Is that in neutral? or only while driving
    It could just be the throwout bearing has some play on it- put pressure on the clutch fork with your fingers, if it goes away the bearing is loose. Irritating but not damaged

    Heaps, the bottom end dies but it runs normal higher up.
    You need to see if the TVIS is free - if not it may need cleaning, normally they stick partially open and won't close properly which means bad torque and the top end feels limp too

    Does it smoke under acceleration? smoke when starting in the morning?
    If so, there's oil being blown into the intake and causes the symptoms you describe, plus it will clog your cat and O2 which screws with the ECU
     
    Last edited: Mar 25, 2012
  8. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    The gearbox makes the irritating noise all the time, most of the time I can stop it by pushing the clutch in, other times it just keeps going. It's only just gotten loud enough to be of any annoyance though.

    Checking the T-VIS will be a mission, I hate working around the intake manifold.

    Hopefully the problems are the T-VIS and/or ECU in limp mode and throwout bearing, they seem to have the easiest solutions.

    We'll see on Monday/Tuesday when I get paid.

    aaron.
     
  9. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    So I went to change the gearbox oil today, and the drain plug was FINGER TIGHT! No wonder I've been getting noise, there was only 50mL of oil left in there!
    I put 2.45L of some nice Castrol 80W-90 tranny oil in there and now it runs better than the day I bought it! Silky smooth shifting and ZERO NOISE! :D The only thing I can hear now is the quiet idle of the engine :3

    I can't move the clutch fork at all with my hand, but I'll be adjusting the play of the pedal very soon, I can push it almost 2" before it engages.

    I also left the EFI fuse and relay out overnight to reset the ECU. It's running a lot better with a lot more torque, but I have a feeling I'll be needing to clean out the T-VIS very soon because I'm still getting a bit of power loss. Might as well clean out the whole TB and intake manifold with some carby cleaner while I'm at it.
    It seems to happen more when the engine is warm, not sure why.

    I'll be going for a drive up to Rockhampton tomorrow and I'll be taking the econometer, we'll see how it goes!

    aaron.
     
  10. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    Great news on the tranny, It's amazing how a full box of decent lube improves things :ewink

    For those that may be interested........ Brisbane to Rockhampton is a nice full on coastal test drive for the car/econometer as Rocky is approx 600km one way or 7½ hours of driving time.

    I look forward to your 'report' on both Aaron :fingersx ............... Rocky sux in my opinion but still, come back safely.

    I nearly forgot, are you going to try and catch up with Kevin (Stig) in Noosa or wherever ?


    TVIS info and I quote :-

    Toyota Variable Induction System, or T-VIS, is a variable intake system designed by Toyota to improve the low-end performance of multi-valve engines.

    T-VIS is intended to improve the low-end torque of high-performance, four-stroke internal combustion engines - by changing the geometry of the intake manifold according to the engine rotation speed. The system uses two separate intake runners per cylinder, one being equipped with a butterfly valve that can either open or close the runner. All valves are attached to a common shaft which is rotated by a vacuum actuator outside the manifold. T-VIS does not actually keep one of the intake valves from opening or seal off the port for one valve.

    The engine control unit (ECU) allows vacuum into the actuator by powering a solenoid valve when the engine rotation speed is low. At higher engine speeds (e.g. 4,200 rpm), vacuum is cut off and a spring inside the actuator causes the butterfly valve to fully open.

    The idea behind the system is that in the lower engine speed band, the speed of the intake air will be increased because the intake runner cross section per cylinder is smaller. However, when engine speed increases, the second runner is opened, decreasing airflow speed, but increasing the airflow volume, better matching the engine's airflow needs at higher revolutions.

    With modified engines it may be desirable to have the T-VIS open earlier than stock, because modifications that improve an engine's power output may do so by increasing airflow per engine revolution, resulting in a high airflow at a lower rpm.

    In addition to providing more air at higher engine speeds, the system also creates a swirl in the combustion chamber at lower rpms. The swirl makes for more efficient combustion, and is due to the asymmetric nature of the airflow with one intake runner closed.



    ****** This is also very interesting, the dude that posted it should have used an easier reading font, if reading it starts to give you the shits then just copy and paste it into a RTF document and change the type of font........... http://websworld.org/marcel/tech/tvis/tvis.html
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2012
  11. 1fstgts

    1fstgts Well-Known Member Staff Member Administrator Moderator Donated!

    Definitly check the TVIS, make sure theres no leaks on the vaccum to it. On my one 86 it was stuck open all the time becuase the acutator was broke.


    As far as harbor frieght goes,its all made in china...but what isnt nowadays? Just depends on what you get there. Dont expect to get Snap-on quality, but some of their hand tools are ok... Their electric power tools cant take any kind of abuse. Bought a bunch of air tools from there and they get the job done. I bought my leakdown tester there and it works just fine.

    Almost sounds like us USA guys need to start shopping at harbor freight for you guys in EU an AUS and do some trading for EDM/JDM parts ;)
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2012
  12. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    Yes, lubrication tends to get rid of most unwanted noises :thumbsup:

    About 700km actually from where I live, but still about 7 1/2 hours ;) Going up to see the extended family for a few days. Should be a fun drive along the A1 early in the morning!

    If we are on our way home before Saturday, was hoping we can catch up with Kev, got a T-VIS for him. Can't drop in on the way because I'll be driving with my uncle ( separate cars, is there a better way to say that? ) and he probably won't want to be stopping anywhere.

    I'll be giving the whole intake manifold a clean out when I get home with some good ol' Carby Cleaner, that should do the trick!

    I guess Supercheap Auto over here is the closest to Harbor Freight we have. Same quality, higher price :p

    aaron.
     
    Last edited: Mar 27, 2012

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