Ok thanks. Also, are they any aftermarket bolts for the cam caps? Or should I just order new ones from the toyo dealer? I dont want to reuse anything if I can help it.
50 bucks later at the toyo dealer...fortunately bolts are still available for the cam caps and the oil and water pumps.
Ok. So Im a little fuzzy on this valve shim adjustment. I got the supertech cam followers which look like they are shim under buck type(they didnt come with any shims, just the buckets). On a new install am I gonna need to shim it? It got late last night after I installed everything to check the clearances. This is what I got, to me it sounds like extra thickness was built into these not to require any extra shims right off the bat. Maybe Im reading this wrong. http://www.nolimitmotorsport.com/prod/SUP-CF-31_3-28
correct, supertech sells the bucket and shim seperate. i believe they have a starter shim kit you buy, then adjust accordingly, order more if needed.
Need to see a closeup of your valve retainers Did you fit gen2 or 3 valves & retainers? I don't think you can use underbucket shims with gen2 retainers Compare them in my pic on the previous page
According to the Ferrera book they are gen2. Here is a stock pic of the buckets. These are identical to mine. This is the best pic I have of the head without going out and tearing the cams and retainers out. They dont look like the ones on the previous page. They are more flat on top and it looks like the bucket has that lip on in the side to fit right down in around the valve stem. I suppose there is a possibility of not needing any shims, but I wont know that until I measure the clearance. But I need to re-read that section of the BGB on where the cams need to be to take measurements.
Thats what's worrying me, the ones on the previous page are gen3 and designed to hold the underbucket shims, the valve stems are much shorter as well. I was thinking of using them with my gen2 head but it means swapping the valves, retainers and buckets as a set. Unless your buckets come with full width shims or are sized solid units - I can't see how they will work Shim adjustment tips - http://www.st162.net/forum/showthre...ore-jdm-oddities&p=54898&viewfull=1#post54898
Duh. Ok I had a minute before I ran out before work. Dont know why I didnt see this when I got done. Probably staying up til midnight assembling didnt help. Looks to me like I need me some shims.:ugh
Ive looked all over the web for this, nobody seems to sell a kit and supertech doesnt list it on their site. Any ideas? Im stuck until I get these.
My next problem, I cant find any documentation from Ferrera that their retainers work with shim under bucket. Although they are listed for 3SGTE 90-95. Did the Gen 2 engine have shim over bucket? I cant remember when I took the head apart and I cant find my original buckets. I think they are lost...
Gen2 is shim on bucket, in the pic I just posted are the gens in order from 1-3 Judging by your pic you need shim on bucket or solid buckets I have 2 spare sets of gen2 buckets plus boxes of shims and I'm looking for gen3 buckets
Well, Im going to be calling Ferrea today and will probably get told some bad news. Just from staying up late last night and reading hundreds of forums on buckets and retainers. Which means Ill have a set of brand new(installed once) buckets for sale(or trade) because I obviously wont be able to return them. Add my $300 mistake to my schooling tuition on engine rebuilding. My only alternative would be to change out my retainers which will be just about the same price as well, plus alot more messing around. So if it comes down to these not working for me and your cool with it, Id be up for a straight up trade. My other alternative would be going shimless. Which would lighten the valve train a little. Ive read that on high lift engines theres a possibility of the shim getting shot out, which can be an issue. But I dont think Im running an extreme amount for that, I think my cams are only 9.9
A trade is no problem You can't switch retainers without the shorter valves, your valves stick out of the retainers - gen3 doesn't. Another option might be to remove the valves and have them shortened to gen3 specs with modded gen3 retainers which will also be expensive Shimming will be a bitch, you will need a micrometer and a base set of shims but 1st we'll have to get some indication of the gap between the valve stem and the shortest part of the cam lobe. From experience that gap should be around 5mm and we're talking about accuracy to 0.01mm 9,9mm is pretty extreeme for shim on top I think and I wouldn't go that route. Your best option is some solid lifters or lifters with reliefs cut inside them to take the later small u/bucket shims I'm just glad we picked it up now
Ok. So yes. My retainers will not do shim under bucket.:cuss I spoke with Ferrea this morning. I have mic's, feeler gauges and other stuff. So I can get a measurement. Can I do a measurement with the current bucket? Say mic the ones that are in there and then add the difference? The spec on the current bucket says its 3.28mm. Im just ticked off that I misplaced or tossed the buckets/shims that came with the head. So in reality I only need one bucket and some shims to go through and measure each valve if I wante to go to the shimless buckets that I posted the part numbers for correct?
Yes, you could use a bucket you have if you're sure it's only toucking the valve stem but you'll need something the correct size to fit inbetween and measure the gap. I don't think a feeler gauge will be accurate enough but you can try or find something to take up the gap and measure the rest with a feeler gauge.
Does the Gen2 3sge use the same size buckets and shims as the gen2 3sgte? I can probably go find a head at a wrecking yard to pull stuff from.
