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Boring over

Discussion in 'Forced Induction' started by SpeedDemon, Mar 20, 2007.

Bore or not to bore

  1. Yes

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  2. No

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  1. SpeedDemon

    SpeedDemon Well-Known Member

    I want to bore over the block that im using for the alltrac engine. I was thinking .20 over. But I was thinking why not go all the way and do .40 over? Would that make the cylinder walls to thin for turbo. And if I were to do this would I still be able to but in an aftermarket head gasket like the HKS steel head gasket? But with a turbo your don't want to over bore do you?
     
  2. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    where did this post come from? lol. there is no difference in head gaskets for boring over. but i would stay mild with a 20 over and some aries pistons. mabye weisco or cp but not je.
     
  3. SpeedDemon

    SpeedDemon Well-Known Member

    Well if im going to bore it I would only do .20 over. What I was wondering was more yes or no.
     
  4. lsgheero

    lsgheero Well-Known Member

    I dont know alot about about turbo's but I wouldn't unless its a NA car. But don't take my word lol, as mentioned I dont know alot (basically anything about turbo's)

    The reason I wouldnt is I think it would put too much stress on the engine, where as in NA the stress is gradual not a BAM like turbo.
     
  5. rody_mr

    rody_mr Guest

    why not just bore the head and leave the block alone, this way you have more torque on the streets and not have to worry about over powering.
     
  6. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    a good 20 over bore will not hurt a damn thing but allow a little more air to be moved which is good. i don't think the 20 over pistons are corrected for compression so that means it'll drop the compression a little and that's good for turbos. means more boost safely. i would not go 40 over as this will make the walls a little thin IMO.

    for those NA guys. turbos are not a simple mathmatical power adder. the more NA power you make the more turbo power you make. now there are a ton of things to consider and calculate in but the one thing to remember is that getting all the mechanical power out possible means that you'll be pushing a lot more power at the other end with the same boost. basic equation:
    (boost pressure in BAR +1.0)base HP = crank output
    example, my car
    intake and exhaust, porting work yadda yadda
    base power about 175
    boost equals 1 bar (14.7 psi)
    plug these numbers in you get
    (1+1)175 = 350 crank + nitrous
    now take the same equation with base HP of 150
    (1+1)150 = 300 crank
    big difference with no boost change
    now i used 1 BAR for simplicity in math. it's not as simple as doubling the number. take stock alltrac 8 psi. 8/14.7= 0.544
    (0.544+1)150 = 231.63 crank
    so the base number is off a little so lets reverse the equation to a known good number of 200 USDM 1st gen 3sgte
    (0.544+1)x = 200
    x = 130
    thus meaning on a stock alltrac motor the ratio of 1psi to HP yeilds a gain of 8.75 hp. so the base alltrac at a boost of 1 bar in this method would yeild a crank hp number of 14.7*8.75 = 128.62 + 130 = 258.62 crank which would yeild around 200 AWHP. if we use the other equation with the know good base number and back to 1 bar of boost we get 260hp. pretty damn close.
     
  7. underscore

    underscore Well-Known Member

    nice to see it explained with numbers!
     
  8. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    WTF was i drunk last night when i wrote that. i don't remember doing all that. lol. it's right BTW.
     
  9. underscore

    underscore Well-Known Member

    maybe Chris added it?
     
  10. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    no it was me. i just didn't remember doing all that.
     

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