3 Powerplant Options

Current motor: 3S-FE +220,000 miles/+350000Kms

Okay 3 choices here that I've looked at:

3S-GTE Cost: +$800
Power(depends on Gen)"--------260hp 4 cyl. Turbo
Torque:-----------------------------224lbs ft or 303nm
Motor Weight:---------------------350lbs (block with head) or 159 kgs
MilesPerGallon:-------------------22city/30hwy(?) or 35kmcity/48kmhwy

2JZ-GTE Cost: +$1500
Power:-----------------------------276hp(?) inline 6 Turbo
Torque:----------------------------320lbs ft or 433nm
Motor Weight:--------------------594lbs or 270 kgs (without tranny)[info taken from lextreme.com]
MPG:-------------------------------17city/24hwy(?) or 27kmcity/38kmhwy

1UZ-FE Cost: $450 Non-VVT-i
Power:-----------------------------261hp V8 Naturally Aspirated (1998 VVT-i version is 300hp)
Torque:----------------------------268lbs ft or 363nm (VVT-I version is 310lbs ft or 420nm)
Motor Weight:--------------------450lbs or 204kgs(without tranny)[Lextreme.com]
MPG:-------------------------------18city/27hwy(?) or 28km/43km

Both Toyota forums V-eight.com and Lextreme.com both are close in estimating the weight of the 1UZ, and their forums are centered around these engines so I’ll take it from them.

Opinions

I’ve been told the 1UZ is too heavy. Been told a 2JZ is better. A 3S-GTE is a more feasible option, but I want to do something I’m interested in. The 1UZ-FE. The specs here, show that the 1UZ is in FACT lighter than the 2JZ. The engine does make good power without turbo, so the engine has more stock power and torque. Gas mileage is the same if not better than the 2JZ depending on driving style. Plus many swaps and build forums for this engine. As well as many Supra and AE86 swaps, and I’m positive that an AE86 engine bay has dimensions very similar to our 4th Gen Celicas. Meaning…if it fits an AE86, sure as hell will fit in this little Celica. Not to mention that the people that have used the AE86 with 1UZ say there’s no need for firewall cutting, just lowering the subframe. Ofcourse in a build like this, there are exceptions, that I understand, but information like this is helpful as well.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqL2hyC5aSU

Swap/Transmission

I’m pretty sure the 2JZ is longer than the 1UZ, can anyone confirm? Anyway, both of these engines will cost a decent amount of money, maybe not so much the 3S-GTE since it’s almost a plug in play, but I also have to change drivetrain. Unless it’s an MR2 GTE. Though sure as hell don’t want a FWD anymore.
Since the 1UZ powerplant never came with a manual transmission, I’m going to have to snag some adapters for it, which the lextreme and v-eight forums can provide. I may have to grab a W58 transmission as well, from a Supra if I can recall, for a solid tranny that can take the torque this awesome V8 has.

Custom Custom Custom.

Drivetrain

For the drivetrain, I wanted to do something that could change the drive wheels from 2WD to AWD, I want to keep it’s rally bloodline. But I don’t know when I will figure this out, I have a swap to research for pete sake. I’m thinking of grabbing an SC400’s rear driveline and mating to the Celica. Yes it’s wider and the tires will jut out from the fenders like a skinny dude with big boots on, but kept in mind (if you’ve read my other threads) I’m also widening the body, compensating for the wider driveline. I’m still researching how wide it will actually be.

Research research research.

There are a lot of things I don’t know and a lot of things I already do know. Some things I don’t know is I’m probably gonna have to modify and reinforce the body to compensate for the added power wider stance and safety. Keep in mind I won’t be racing. Just daily driving, so none of that heavy modifying stuff just yet.
All in all, the 1UZ is perfect IMO. Excellent gas mileage for a V8, excellent power, crazy sound and a decent weight to put in a light car yes?

So that’s what I’m gonna do, as of now. Plans may change but I’m sticking with my 1UZ. Input? Tips? On body reinforcement, swap techniques, the works, etc? Thanks for viewing my thread.


No I'm not crazy.

-Jamezzy opcorn

 

@Thaifighter
Here's the $890 AWD 3S-GTE
http://www.tigerjapanese.com/index.php? ... &Itemid=26

Yes the AE86 is RWD. But the plan was to convert the Celica into RWD or AWD. Still researching which is why I'm talkin to you guys opcorn . Keep in mind he didn't have to cut the firewall or anything. And those videos I've seen the first link but the second I've not. It looks like he's also a member of lextreme, and I just looked right now and he has a build thread. Awesome! :cool
Unless this is actually done I don't think I'll look crazy anymore haha. It's my car that will be crazy-crazy fast, crazy torque, crazy zcrazy!
:cheers

@eNtraxGT88
Yup I was originally opting for the ST165 drivetrain, but I might have clearance issues with the engine no? I don't no how I'd mate the 1UZ to the drivetrain. It'd have to be transverse mounted. I might just grab a SC400 drivetrain. And hey, you're canuckaholic on YouTube. I know you've seen my videos haha.

@4thgenceli
Right, that's what I was opting for. But where are those blown all tracs nowadays lol.
$900 eh. Well atleast you can say it's cheaper than buying a new car. That's for sure :hehe

@jwagner162
I almost got into a welding class. But I didn't know the due date for the fees so I was kicked. :banghead
Anyway, for everyone to know, I will be doing this project in a few years, researching comes first one step at a time. Right, people kept saying to use a 2JZ, but they aren't looking at the facts and how long it would be. Originally I'm opting for the 1UZ. But do you think it would hold up to the torque? Although saying that this swap was done with the 1UZ and a rear driveline, do you think that they'll atleast match in weight or an acceptable one? Since the rear driveline is also heavy. Damn, you know I was also looking at a Corvette's driveline. It has the transmission at the back to have maximum weight distribution. If only I could use that as well. Its all about the $$$ isn't it :banghead

As for the auto-x, I'd love to do that, but at a later time. Lol I'm only 19. Still learning how to work on cars. I do little things like work on brakes, change spark plugs, oil change, haha. What's the youngest a driver can be in auto-x?


@89celicagt
Thanks for showing that build thread. I've seen Jim post around here a few times but I couldn't find his thread and I forgot about it. Jim, although didn't he mount his transversely? Did you see this link? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BqL2hyC5aSU
Looking at this video it should fit fine. I don't know if he's using the same AE86 driveline, I'm pretty sure he isn't, I could be wrong, I have to research on his build later.

I know its RWD but it fits, the guys says he can still keep the AC with the engine. But that's what I'm trying to go for, RWD or AWD which ever is more feasible for the $$$ and time. I can just grab another ablown alltrac like 4thgen celi said and swap it there, but won't I have clearance issues with the engine? Then with RWD I have different options; an SC400 driveline which I have a hunch will fit, but will require alot of weldng and metal working. A supra rear driveline which will work too. And...I haven't looked at this much but, maybe a Corvette driveline, since it has the transmission located at the back for weight distribution, it could work.

 

Is it still a good deal?

 

If the engine dies on me early then I might have to grab the second gen 3S-GTE. I think it was Stig, who posted a RWD conversion tip thread. Due to the damaged forum I can't view it. Anyone know what steps to convert it, or how hard its going to be, and or maybe even a AWD conversion. Shouldn't be that hard right. Just takes some mechanical know how and time and a bit money.

 

Looking at Stig's other thread, it has a picture of a 4th gen with a 1UZ, and he told me that the fabricators had to cut the firewall and other things. Dang would've atleast been just alittle bit easier if it was built like an AE86 where I can almost just drop the engine in with minor modifications. Not gonna have time for this swap. I'd like to do the swap myself anyway, of course with your guy's help!

I might have to resort the 3S-GTE. I'm planning to go for the manual trans as well as an Alltrac drivetrain. I hope I find an Alltrac out here with a working drivetrain. I also hope that the body is wrecked but the drivetrain is intact so I won't have to scrap my original Celica. But on the other hand, if I find the 165 body intact I'd keep it, but there's no more room on my drive way and no more space to store it. But I really want to keep my ST162 chassis that has been in the family,ehh don't ask. The ST165 drivetrain should slip in and bolt in correct? All I would have to do is Grab the Alltrac ECU wiring harness, engine Tranny etc etc and exchange it to my 162.

I'm gonna have to do this V8 Stuff later on. So for now it's the 3S-GTE, then in the future, I'll just look for a blown engine alltrac with a straight body or something and exchange my 3SGTE into that. Then I'll get started on the V8 on the 162 a few years from now after....college!