2013 Scion FR-S

that looks better then the Toyota one lol

 

It's not standard I guess, looks to me that it has some extra lips & such. Looks very good though, indeed

 

Word. The spoken truth.

 

Truth.

 

Again, the spoken truth.

 

I've driven it and I agree the engine was not what I was hoping to find in it... It misses power when going on to the straight. In these times where every normal passenger car is getting a turbo overhere this car needs a turbo and didn't get one.

I know why, because you can drift safely with it with an even power graph but in real life, were most of them will be sold... give the damn car a SC or turbo, it's just underpowered. I love the way it handles though !! Don't get me wrong, with all the computershit even an ass like me can go real fast through the corners !

So yes, even when driven one, you want a different engine lol

 

the price is over here in holland 41K euro minimum so you can believe me I'm not impressed. It's due to taxes and government things, but still it's sky high. And most AE86 engines were modified as well .

But, the car does have superb balance and you can go round corners like a go-kart !!

But word is a SC is on it's way so then everybody has a choice

 

Um......why do I need to drive one if I share Willie's point that the heart of Toyota's racing legacy since the 80's has been Yamaha built motors?

How exactly does my opinion reflect that I am somehow ignorant because I haven't driven one?

A fun test drive isn't going to change my perspective on what I think a Toyota should be.

 

I know you didn't, but it's kind of implied when my point is the spirit of an idea and your reply is that some of us need to drive the car. There is an entire group and maybe even a majority of Toyota fans that would prefer to carry the torch for sports engine design and the Toyota sports market. We've been let down on both fronts since the dismantling of the sports program in the 90's. We expected more. I could go on about the reasons, but in short I feel like it was a slap in the face for those of us that waited and waited for the return of a sports car. Then they do it with a Suburu engine and a Scion badge? I'm sorry, but no. Call me a sucker for marketing and brand loyalty, whatever. I feel like the guys on the top floor understood the polling for and the lack of a sports car in their giant line up of Toyotas, Lexus', and Scions. What they didn't understand was who they were polling and who was making the request for the car in the first place. If that's not apparent to everyone here then take a look at the IS line. They createde a sports car out of that line and then an entire sports division. But who drives the Lexus IS250/350 in the US? People like my dad, 58. The same old farts that buy Porsche Boxsters and parade around town showing off the car, but not what it can do. These people have no idea how to drive that car. So much so that in the US Lexus only made a few hundred manuals available. But Toyota decides to bless the Lexus market with a sports department to design and sell aftermarket support to the IS community? WTF? Between the hundreds of thousands of Celicas, MR2s, and Supras produced from 1970 to 2005 in the US you'd think they'd have some idea of who the loyalists were.

I'm sure the FR-S is balanced and great in corners and all that jazz, but to me this car is just a red-headed step child. All I'm saying about that....

And as far as badging goes we all know who design that car. So it's a Toyota. I'd go so far as to say Scion doesn't have a design team. In terms of a sub-entity of Toyota I'll bet they only have a marketing team. It's the same way Lexus started out.