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17" Rims and tyres

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by mrcool, Sep 21, 2012.

  1. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    I have just purchased online and received some 17" rims and 215/40/17 tyres for my 89 St162

    SX and the company checked the size and said these would fit my car from their guide and

    specifications.

    After I fitted the new wheels I went for a drive to a service station to check the air in

    the tyres and found that the front right was hitting when I would go over small bumps and

    also found that the rears were rubbing against the bottom of the struts on both sides, right

    not to bad but I have lost some rubber from the left hand rear tyre on the inside edge(not

    the sidewall) Left front seems ok.

    I took the wheels off and found that they are 20mm higher on or off the car than my current

    205/50/15's or the original spare 195/60/14.

    I contacted to Supplier but all they could recommend is using 3mm spacers and if that does

    not work hit the point of the strut where it is rubbing with a couple of hammers.

    Also wondering if a wheel alignment with correct camber would fix this problem with the rear

    tyres, and new sports shocks with preferably low springs would fix the front as well help

    with the rear.

    I have all of the current ride heights specs and ground clearance if this helps.

    Any assistance with this would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    go with the spacers first depending how much or how bad its rubbing. um, the car is also 20+ years old, so the bushings are in need of replacing. you can do all the alignments and camber adjusting you want, but with a faulty bushing its not gonna be straight on. and dont hit your strut with a hammer. that is some seriously stupid advice coming from a professional company. that got me pretty mad just reading it. well, good luck
     
  3. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    the proper 17 inch tires are 205/40/17. google "miata tire calculator", it's the best of its kind for tire sizes. as kev was saying, DONT HIT THE STRUTS!
     
  4. MattC

    MattC Well-Known Member Donated!

    I'd say its the offset on the wheels rather than the tyre size that's the issue. I reckon they've sold you wheels to suit a Subaru - same PCD, higher offset. What sort of clearance have you got between the tyre and the mudguard?
     
  5. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I can't believe these guys!
    1st they f#$k up and
    2nd they didn't check their work which could have got you killed,
    3rd they aren't prepared to fix their F**k up?
    4th they give stupid and dangerous advice

    What's goin on?? Don't they belong to a trade body you can lay a complaint with because right now your car is dangerous

    If the ET is greater than 39 you're in trouble and will either need spacers or coilovers
    Even coilovers can be tricky - often the rim/tyre sits up against the adjusters

    I think this pic demonstrates just how much your tyres can move under cornering and many guys mistakenly think that a small gap is enough to prevent disaster
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    The tyre will heat up against the shock and burst

    What are the numbers on your rims?
    Got any pics?
    IMO, Those tyres are also too high, to equal the original size they should have been 215/30/17
     
    Last edited: Sep 23, 2012
  6. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    The clearances currently with the 15" rims are front right 40mm, front left 50mm rear approx 60-65mm. with the 17' Rims it is 15mm less all around.
    Thanks
     
  7. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    If the spacers don't work then I will be demanding a full refund for the rims and tyres. And they should respect their not fitment guarantee.
     
  8. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    Thanks Kevin, just wondering if by bushings do you mean what the struts mount into, also is using camber adjusting bolts a good idea or a waste of money.
     
  9. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    i run 205 tires just fine with or without spacers.....i run 40's in the front and 45's in the back with 25mm spacers in rear only....i rub on the fender but just have yet to roll the fronts...back requires no rolling at all.
     
  10. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    front fenders are already rolled stock.

    hey mrcool, what does it say for the offset on the back of the rim? should be ETxx like how the stock rims say ET39
     
  11. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    which kevin? lol jk. the control arm bushings. but might as well save up and get them ALL. its a really good investment and will restore a lot of lost power. more the feel of the lost power because with worn bushings, it absorbs all that power and doesnt transfer straight to the road.
     
  12. 187flatliner

    187flatliner Seat Breaker Donated!

    Actually their not rolled from stock marc....i had to roll my fronts to fit my 205 to keep them from rubbing.
     
  13. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    they are bent inwards though already..? you did them more?
     
  14. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    Hi, eNtraxGT88 the offset on the 17" rims is ET40
     
  15. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    HI Stig, thanks for the info. I hope to receive the spacers tomorrow, and the tyre size 215/30/17 would be correct but unable to find them anywhere online. The Ozzy Tyre company don't even stock them only 215/40/16 or 215/40/17.
    Should I ask for a refund and keep running my 205/50/15 or try to make the 17" rims fit, as they do look nice.
    Hope to attach some photo's tomorrow.
     
  16. eNtraxGT88

    eNtraxGT88 Well-Known Member Donated!

    The stock size is 205/60/14 for a GT-S

    i don't know where you're getting your "correct tyre size" but 215/30/17 is 6.8% TOO SMALL in height and wider by 10mm.
    205/40/17 is only 1.1% bigger in height.

    by using 205/40, you only have to deal with 1mm offset closer to the hub than stock wheel (ET39) and 1.1% increase in height.

    Math homework: http://www.miata.net/garage/tirecalc.html
     
  17. kevinkyang

    kevinkyang Well-Known Member Donated!

    if your et is 40 and stig said anyting more than 38 is bad. then the spacers should do the job
     
  18. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Not neccesarily Kev, sounds like the tyres are rubbing under the cups. Need to see pics before we can solve this

    I see what you mean, calculator is here - http://www.1010tires.com/TireSizeCalculator.asp
     
    Last edited: Sep 25, 2012
  19. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I think part of the problem is that the stock JDM size is 195/60/14 and the speedo's were calibrated to that size.
    Non-JDM came with 205/60/14 which is bigger than the JDM height, combined with longer final drive gearboxes, milder ECU and EGR, extra cats, it's no wonder the performance is lackluster
    Your correct is my incorrect and vica versa, our cars may look similar but....

    Coilovers aren't always a solution either, sometimes the spring and nuts are low enough to actually be worse than OEM shocks
     
    Last edited: Sep 26, 2012
  20. mrcool

    mrcool Active Member

    How do you fit 25mm spaces on the back as my bolts are only 25mm long.

    With 3mm spacers I am only able to do up the nuts about six turns. With the old rims I am able to get about 8 turns.

    What is the minimums turns I should have and does going to wide cause stress on the lugs.
     

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