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Wining noise/rumble

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by 86CelicaGT-S, Dec 15, 2008.

  1. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    Today it was -17 degrees celsius when I went to start up my car. As I began to start it up it was fighting very hard to start up but after a few seconds it did - thats' great. But once it started up there was a very loud whining noise coming from the engine bay and the car began to shake a a bit. As I gave it some gas to rev it up it shook A LOT more. Anyone have any idea why it would shake and whine? I opened the hood to see if I could pin point where it was coming from but had no luck - the sound/shake continued for quite some time. Yes I know it is cold but what would the cold weather due to cause this? I haven't had any problems like this before with any other vehicles. I want to try to get this problem figured out because it is suppose to get colder and colder as the week progresses.


    Also even when it's not that cold there is always a whining sound when I start the car up but this sound seems like it's coming from the heaters - even when the heaters are completely turned off. Any ideas?

    Thanks.

    -Tanner
     
  2. Celic_GT2

    Celic_GT2 Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    almost sounds like you have some metal on metal going on in that engine, get a vid of the sounds and shakes up..
     
  3. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    try and unplug your cold start injector. sounds like she is flooding with fuel
     
  4. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    Whats a cold start injector and where is it located?

    Also where is the plug (on the engine) for the block heater? I was going to plug it in; but when I found the plug and follow the wiring it was just wrapped around my radiator and plugged into nothing. It does have that little red plug at the end which I assume plugs into the block heater.

    Thanks again.

    EDIT: If it does this again tomorrow morning I'll make a video.
     
  5. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    i wonder if that whining is your fuel pump. try and locate that noise better.
     
  6. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    :shock: I hope not. But yeah, I'll definitely make a video tomorrow.
     
  7. Celic_GT2

    Celic_GT2 Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    the shaking could be the ignition wires crossing over, but as for the noise.... sounds like metal on metal
     
  8. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

  9. Celic_GT2

    Celic_GT2 Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    im thinking spun bearing buddy. . . time for a gte. . .
     
  10. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    Yeah I am planning to put a gte in at some point. When ever I can find a cheap one I guess.
     
  11. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    on a cold start...
    you've either fried the oil pump or something on the timing side of the motor. no way that is a spun bearing. it's moving way to fast. as far as the stutter, does it go away when the car is warmed up? sounds like either the cold start injector is f'ed up or the plugs are fouled or the plugs are gapped wrong. check the basics first before condemning her. i would check the oil level and plugs first. your oil pressure is way too low for a cold start. then pull all the plugs and clean and regap them. check the wires and make sure they are good. clean the cap and rotor. then reassemble everything and see if the stuttering is gone. if not then you have a very serious problem. if it does then open the hood with the car idling. put a piece of hose or a stethoscope to the timing cover and search that problem down. i would not drive her in that condition.
     
  12. Celic_GT2

    Celic_GT2 Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    thats exactly what i told him to check first, he sent me a vid of that engine, and the knock you could just hear it in her...at first i thought dead cylinder...but it was clanking as opposed to dead cylinder thudding....im voting drop the pan and check the bearings...along with everything else...
     
  13. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    As for the stuttering it does go away once the car warms up. I just put new plugs in back in september or october and I gaped them to 0.44mm I believe. I'll check the oil level tomorrow as well as re-gap/clean the plugs, check the wires and check the cap and rotor. It's weird because the car just started acting up ever since it got really cold out - when the whining noise has been going on for a little while now. Hopefully there is nothing seriously wrong because it's my only mode of transportation except city transit - I would also hate to walk to school (I live about an hour away) when it's -20+ outside and even colder with the windchill.

    As for dropping the pan, I couldn't do that yet because I only have the little jack that comes with the car and I don't trust those things at all. Like when I painted my rims I stacked wood underneath the control arms just to be safe.

    Thanks for all the help. I'll report back tomorrow after I check everything.
     
  14. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    Well the only thing I had time to check was the oil level and it was between high and low so I put some in but that wasn't the problem because when I started it up again it stuttered as it revved up again - though once it warmed up the stuttering was gone.

    BTW where is the block heater? I've found the plug that you plug into an outlet but the other end isn't plugged into anything for some reason. The cord for my block heater plug is really long and just wrapped around my radiator. If pics are needed to show what I mean then I'll happily take some.

    Thanks again.

    -Tanner.

    EDIT:

    I decided to go take some pics of the un-plugged block heater cord I am talking about.

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  15. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    ^The block heater element is usually in place of one of the freeze plugs. If you're lucky, they replaced a freeze plug in the front of the block, where you can reach it easily. If not, it'll be on the back side of the block - like mine was. You'll have to jack up the car and slide underneath to see it. Your plug looks exactly like the one I had which popped out on me and dumped my coolant all over the road.
     
  16. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    Sweet I'll have to check that this week.

    Also every morning it is still rumbling to shit when I start it up. Just wondering if it has something to due with the oil - well I added some yesterday the oil was very thick as it ran out the bottle so I was thinking when the car has been sitting all night the oil pump is having a hard time circulating the oil throughout the engine so maybe that is causing the rumble? I have 20w-50 in there right now and it has been in the -20's during the night for quite some time. So should I change to a thinner oil for the winter? It can't be the plugs/wires because once the car warms up it runs fine, it's just when it's first started. As for the whining well that just seems to get louder and louder. I didn't even want to keep it running this morning after I started it because the whining noise was that loud - felt bad for my car :(

    Thanks for all the help.

    -Tanner.
     
  17. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    In a word, yes.
    Generally speaking, 20w50 is thicker and better for hotter climates/summer driving. Everything you mentioned in your post is correct. Personally, I'd be going with a 5w30 if it's freakin' minus -20!
     
  18. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    Hah, well the 20w-50 oil has been in there since I got the car - I've obviously just been added some here and there. I guess I should get out there and put some new oil in. Thanks Rick.

    ...Hopefully that'll solve the problem.

    Also should I go back to 20w-50 when spring/summer arrives? Every other vehicle I've driven has always had 20w-30 in it; not sure why my car has 20w-50 in it.
     
  19. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    ^Not to spook you, but some guys run a heavier weight oil to help stop oil consumption in worn or leaky rings. I've never run 20w50 in my cars. The heaviest I've gone was 10w40 in my ST162's and just during very hot summer temperatures. Mostly in Vancouver, I go 10w30. (I find 5w30 a bit thin for my liking in normal temperatures.)
     
  20. 86CelicaGT-S

    86CelicaGT-S Well-Known Member

    So should I go 10w-30 or 5w-30?

    EDIT: To be honest I am not "too" worried about my engine because I am already looking into getting a 3S-GTE from a ST185 or something.
     

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