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Car doesn't start after storage

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by Rick89GTS, May 3, 2016.

  1. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    Hey all,

    Re: car in storage

    Tried to fire up my 89GTS and it wouldn't start up. First time that's happened.
    Starter turns over and there's enough juice, just doesn't catch.
    The fuel is old, been in there probably 2 years now :(

    I'm thinking spark and fuel, just wondering if there's anything else like bad fuel - do you guys usually drain old gas? How long does it last before spoiling?

    Thanks!
     
  2. Captain Marmotte

    Captain Marmotte Well-Known Member

    According to Shell, fuel starts to spoil after about 6 months. The rate at which it deteriorates can vary, depending on climate and how well the fuel is sealed. But the worst case scenario is that it will become a thicker viscosity, gummy and tend to clog injection systems and such. visually it will take on a dark colour That is a worst case though. So if its the same colour as the wee that comes out of you after a night out its bad, and bad for you, drink more water ;)

    I'd drain the tank and get some new juice in there. I did get mine started on old fuel, but it ran much happier once it was fresh. And I drained 90% of all the old stuff out. save a few awkward drops.

    Although it may be prudent to check the ignition system first though.
     
  3. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    Hmm, I've never drained the gas tank before. Do you have to remove the tank or can you do it on the car? I hope I didn't clog the fuel injectors - I pulled the plugs and they were dry. Thanks for the input :)
     
  4. Captain Marmotte

    Captain Marmotte Well-Known Member


    Nah I'd doubt it would be that bad enough to block the injectors. Mine had yellowed more than fresh fuel but that was about it. It had possibly sat longer, but did have fresh fuel added when I first moved it. I think it must have to be in pretty poor storage for it to get to blocking up an injector condition.

    I'm not sure if there is a drainage hole on the tank. I had mine out anyway due to the work that I was doing at the time, I just tipped it up and got everything out via the open tubes. It's not very enjoyable getting the tank in and out, how much is in it currently?

    I guess you could take all the plugs out and crank it, you should be able to smell fuel if its getting in. If there is really no evidence of fuel getting in, it might be worth testing the fuel pump.
    I had to cycle some fuel out of my old lines as I was having start problems and I also thought it was fuel related. I did this by undoing the fuel line out of the filter and sticking a tube into the top fuel filter. Then while the plugs were out I cranked it and saw it pumping through the fuel quite happily. It's an easy way to visually inspect the fuel and discover if the pump is still working too.


    Someone else probably has some better advice, but hey this showed me my fuel wasn't really bad and my pump was good. Let me know my problem was elsewhere fairly easily.
     
  5. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    I've got about 1/2 tank of gas left in there. Good tips about removing the plugs and seeing if there is fuel coming in. May try your fuel filter trick too, heck, I should probably change that too!
    Gonna throw some new plugs while I'm at it. I recall now that once it wouldn't start up in winter because of moisture/condensation build up in the ignitor. After it dried out, it was fine. Appreciate the input, thanks.
     
    Last edited: May 3, 2016
  6. Captain Marmotte

    Captain Marmotte Well-Known Member


    oh yeah that's a good point. I had huge huge issues with old ignition leads being ever so slightly moist stopping everything from working. cold mornings for example, couldn't get the car to start. I got new leads and never had a problem since. Giving them a good rub down and dry might just get everything working.
     
  7. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    rick, check the basics first. does it have spark? is it getting fuel?
     
  8. zk0729

    zk0729 Well-Known Member

    If it's been two years, personally I'd bite the bullet and go ahead and drop the tank, stick a new fuel pump in it, and put in fresh gas.

    While I don't recommend throwing parts at anything, some things would be a good idea. From there, tune up wise, I'd slap in new spark plugs and wires also. Then from there you can start diagnosing other things. Of course also test for spark and compression, check your timing (make sure the timing belt hasn't broken or rotted either), and jump the fuel pump and see what happens. Just start doing some diagnostics, yknow?
     
  9. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    Haven't had the chance to go in again but some good points there. For one, I hadn't considered the timing belt, but will check spark and fuel first. I will post up again once I get it figured out. Thanks for the input guys!
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2016
  10. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I had this issue before. One thing that I had to do to get it to start was shake the car a little. It was like a little airlock in the fuel pump or something. I'd defo say its a fuel issue
     
  11. Rick89GTS

    Rick89GTS Well-Known Member Moderator Donated!

    ^Air lock in the fuel system, hmm, that's a good thing to consider...

    So I got a chance to try it again and everything was fine - it fired up right away!
    All I did was check the ignitor and coil connection to ensure no condensation and good contact.
    (Maybe it was the air lock you mentioned?)
    Not 100% sure what the issue was but it's all good now.
    Plan to burn off all that old gas with a long drive.
    Thanks for the input guys :)
     
    Last edited: May 11, 2016

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