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No power with 10° base time. (pics)

Discussion in 'Diagnosis/Help' started by Mechazawa, Oct 13, 2013.

  1. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    My car is a 1987 GT Coupe 3s-fe, manual transmission. The 3s-fe is a JDM unit from 1996.
    When I did this swap, I deleted the A/C and power steering. I also plugged the A/C and power steering vacuum ports on the intake manifold.

    When I first got the car, I distinctly remember the distributor being all the way in the counterclockwise position, or, about 10°
    it had good power all the way up the RPM range.

    But after I replaced the engine, I had to set the base time at about 15° to get somewhat normal power but it still isn't quite right; I still don't have good low range torque.

    So my question is: What are the inputs to the computer for the electronic spark advance? RPM, temperature, vacuum?

    just to be sure i don't have to timing belt installed wrong here are pics i took today:
    the mark on the crank pulley has silver paint on it
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    you can see that the mark is right behind the hole
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    also, i'm always sure to check the timing with the electronic advance disabled
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Cam timing is correct
    I normally just turn the dizzy till it idles the best, that has worked fine for me.

    JDM FE has MAP sensing, USDM uses AFM
    Which manifold and injectors are you using, are you using EGR?

    My advice would be to use your old injectors, manifolds, T/B etc to match your GE style ECU

    This pic of my JDM you can see the lack of AFM, EGR etc, JDM FE uses 220cc injectors which are too small for EGR

    [​IMG]

    Follow my menu or click here for more info - http://www.st162.net/forum/showthread.php?201-Engine-Bay-Photo-Post&p=39176&viewfull=1#post39176
     
    Last edited: Oct 13, 2013
  3. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    I'm using the original USDM manifolds, injectors, and EGR.
    [​IMG]

    whats this about my GE style ECU? I thought the GT in america was only FE and FE ECU
     
  4. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Looks like you are using the old dizzy, leads and rocker cover too?
    How did you open the EGR port in the head? or is it on the exhaust header?

    Your ECU is similar to the GE type, except it has no T-VIS, ours (JDM) is the same type as fitted to later models
     
  5. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    EGR goes to a port in the head. this engine had a threaded plug in that port
     
  6. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Did you remove the threaded plug?
    Have you tried moving the distributor around?
    Did you use new plugs? check the gaps are 1.1mm
     
    Last edited: Oct 14, 2013
  7. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    I removed the EGR plug and installed the EGR just like it was on the old engine.
    also used new spark plugs with the correct gap.

    I've adjusted the timing several times, getting less torque the closer I get to 10 degrees and less high RPM power the closer i get to 20 degrees. IT makes me think there is an airflow sensing problem.
     
  8. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Yes, I'm stumped on this - but I can't see the car for myself.

    I was going to suggest trying another ECU or opening it up and looking for damage, so you may be right about the AFM
     
  9. Mechazawa

    Mechazawa Active Member Donated!

    I discovered that using 93 octane fuel really helps out a lot!; especially at full throttle. Full throttle works like never before; it pulls strong even a 6000 rpms! It has never done that before.

    Makes sense too because I hear that the Japanese market engines have higher compression. Also, it is a 1996 engine.

    I think if I bump the base time down to about 13 degrees, I should get better torque
     
  10. Mafix

    Mafix Owner Staff Member Administrator Donated!

    do a compression test.

    also, did you jump the diag plug prior to adjusting timing?
     

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