JDM TEMS, Corona 162 - 2 & 4 door and many more jdm oddities

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by Stig, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I've never seen a sedan 4WD Corolla, I have a weird affinity for boxy wagons lol

    haha hybrid! Honda pistons with 2JZ rods and a 5S crank, what sort of engine are you looking to build with that mix?
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Whoa, you're keeping highly flammable shit UNDER the house?

    Old Scooby's and Volvo's are your thing? lol
    The Corolla's look like AE101's to me which is always a surprise to see a 4WD badge wasted on a Corolla
    Actually it's a AE104, here's a vid of one making 400hp with a 3S-GTE & box fitted - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TRFSCnXUKA0

    Something that will make people who say a N/A 3S can't make power say "OMFG"

    Just realised my detonaton problem is the plugs - went from racing 8's to normal 6's, the extra heat is causing pre-ignition so these can go in the g/f's AE101
     
    Last edited: Jun 26, 2012
  3. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    It's not an enclosed space, it's safer than keeping my fuel and nitro up in the house!

    Not so much Volvos haha. Scoobys and Toyotas I like.

    :iagree I love the throaty N/A sound my celi makes at 3500+RPM, it would be 100x more awesome if it made decent power :p
    I might follow your example when I've finished my GTE build, a beasty N/A 3S would be awesome. I'd just have to find a nice chassis for it, something RWD would be nice.
     
  4. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

  5. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    Sooo, can I have the camber stuff? :)
     
  6. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    throaty ???? ive been under the impression that the 3sg is the raspyist motor ever made. love it, absoloutly love it. i think rev has the name nailed with "the banshee"!!
     
  7. Seank90

    Seank90 Well-Known Member Donated!

    raspy is the word... love it too... when the throttle blips you get a rasp off it live an angry wasp.
     
  8. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Sure you can have the adjusters, lost them in the move but they are here somewhere

    Raspy?, I'm used to rotaries with big exhausts and small silencers - that's raspy.
    I'd say the 4AGE is a raspy 4-stroke, my GE makes a deeper howl and the off-throttle crackle you only hear on race cars nowdays?
     
  9. aaron

    aaron Well-Known Member

    I thought the off-throttle crackle was my ignition system playing up haha
     
  10. Oompa

    Oompa Well-Known Member

    Hey Stig it was my old St165 box you were talking about for your collection? Once you have you storage sorted you can pick it up with a couple of days notice. Also my Tein shocks were for a St185 not a St205. I'm not sure about 202/205 shocks,(Super strut) into 162/165s, but you should be able to sort something out?!! Oh and do you have any of your old corona lights/grille etc?
     
  11. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    I looked today but didn't see them, there is also a spare hub set I don't want to unrap yet as the bearings are new

    No, I found one lying in the yard at Sergei's place but looking for more spares, who knows some might still have good syncros and other ratios?

    Yes, I realized that when I saw you, these are non superstrut and feel very soft, I need to buy some C-spanners somewhere

    Only the clear front indicators and the solid bottom spoiler
     
  12. Oompa

    Oompa Well-Known Member

    You can borrow mine if you want. We do have some for sale at work but if I dont know if they are the right size or the price. I will check tomorrow.
     
  13. just_ace

    just_ace Well-Known Member

    just read the last 15 odd pages, some q's and observations.

    Why do you want to use the Tvis head?

    Have removed the nuts from the pass side of the diff housing, then tried tapping the studs to remove transfer case?

    The diff in the converted E box looks like the early mechanicl lsd from rev1 sw20 turbo. Its what I had, the rev3 on sw20 turbo lsd boxes do indeed have the pin thru the diff, they are viscous type.

    You said ages ago that 5s block was taller, this is not the case, its the same as 3s, they have the same length rods, larger dia big ends, but 2.5mm lower crown height for the pistons.

    Forged piston are not all the same, neither are they required to be so loose in the bore and slap around when cold. You can also get the skirts coated to lessen bore scuffing etc.

    The gen3 head you have, is it turbo our na version? If turbo I wouldnt be using the cams. Only 240dur intake, gen2 ge cams are 244 and only 0.3 less lift.

    If it was the gen3 na man version the intake cam is 250/9.8mm. But exh cam still ghey 236.
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2012
  14. fernandocelica

    fernandocelica Well-Known Member Donated!

    If this applies to me it's because of all the wiring make's my life so much easier get to keep same wiring and ecu.For cam's it's not a turbo car just the head is Gen1 n/a got Gen2 MR2 head going to use those cam's from there to cut to 280deg as Stig said.
     
  15. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    No Fernando, it's stuff I said

    Thanks for the feedback, it's been a long slow learning curve and most of what we know now has been learned the hard way.
    When I 1st joined there was so much B/S floating around I decided to bust some of the myths and expose the truth.(I've been here since 2006, not 2009 - ask Mafix, Ryan)
    Obviously there have been some mistakes along the way and and they need to be rectified, many subsequent posts went missing in the crash of 2010 and I need to do more editing.(Believe it or not - more than 1/2 of this thread is missing!!)

    Simple, I want to keep the Gen1 GE manifold, ECU, airbox, wiring etc. I have a gen2 GE setup here but can't be bothered with it as with the GTE head etc I can just switch the old motor back in without having to change everything back.

    Pics from yesterday - Gen2 GTE head already has GE cams fitted, obsolete GE Gen2 is in the backround
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    GTE gen2 inlet porting appears to be somewhere between the GE gen1 and GTE gen1?
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    Yes, I have found somebody local who had the same problem and says he has built a puller to remove the transfer.

    Yes, it's an early diff. I will keep a lookout but I think you already know how scarce they are

    True, my mistake. I thought I had rectified all those posts.
    Wishfull thinking..... if only we had an extra 2,5mm to play with, I see the new 4G Mitsi's are using 150mm+ rods.

    From what I could ascertain the forged pistons expand more and need more clearance which means they need more care on warmups etc - it would depend on the build of your engine but possibly something to watch out for as I see so many modded motors dying premature deaths, at the same time I see those guys doing burnouts with ice cold motors.

    The gen3 was a GTE head from a late MR2, the head was damaged so got scrapped but I intend to fit the valves and springs/buckets to the Gen2 GTE head along with Gen2 GE cams from the now obsolete GE head.

    Gen3 GE inlet cams (2x) are another cheap option, my aim is to build a decent motor using as much stock stuff as possible from the scrapyards,
    which makes it possible for others to do the same on a limited budget. I wouldn't try them without the Gen3 valves/springs/buckets though.
    The idea is to build the motor in stages and use a dyno to confirm what works and what doesn't
    What works in N/A form could benefit those wanting to up the performance of their GTE motors without breaking the bank.

    I'd love to have Kelford, Wiseco, Eagle, ARP, Link, Toda, HKS etc under the bonnet but I'm realistic enuff to realize it would require Lotto money to do that and that is where the majority of site members are at this time

    It's good to have some input from someone else who obviously has also experimented and learned the hard way.
     
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  16. just_ace

    just_ace Well-Known Member

    Ah, k. Makes much more sense now.

    So if you are aiming to retain the stock ecu etc id say you'd need to maintain the 9.1 cr.

    Hopefully the afm and ecu has mapping to accomodate the extra flow required due to the cams and extra cc, not sure how it would cope timing wise to stop detonation if you also upped the CR substantially.

    also are the gen1 injs going to be enough?

    If you took the plunge and went for some EMS, then thered be no reason not to run 11.1cr with 98oct

    There was discussion about oil squirters, the 5sfe block does not have these.

    yes, the rod/stroke ratio could do with some improvement, ive gone custom stuff to accomplish that, but im aiming for high rpm and boost so need forged items, also fitting bmw oil squirters to the 5s block.

    5s crank will give you a worse rod/stroke ratio.

    Celica 5sfe cranks didnt have the balance gear. I want to hunt down a 96-98 st204 block. Hopefully it doesnt have the extra oil feed points near the crank for balancer gear(as id need to block it all off) but does have the revised design around the water pump
     
  17. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    You are correct
    The current motor runs 12-1CR and it's a c#*t to start and keep detonation away with BP98 ron and gen2 (315cc) injectors it's a constant battle.

    [​IMG]

    I fitted NGK BPR7's the other day and it's made the detonation worse - I need cold plugs just to prevent detonation!
    It burns early starters and I'm stuck with using later V6 starters which are also taking strain, the motor can't be started till the pressures are up or it rattles bearings like a kid in a cot, smoking starters are a way of life for me atm:(.

    New motor I want low CR (9.5-10) and some power, current plan is a 5S crank, 2JZ rods, Honda K20 pistons etc with the G2GTE head and I'm using a gen1 GTE block - but I think still too much compression so am looking at milling some 5S pistons down 5mm and re-pocketing them which is expensive
    I see some guys using 2JZ pistons too, so will look into them...

    3S vs Honda
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    I'm looking for a motor that makes big torque rather than power up high, sounds silly but the tracks here are short with slow corners and not changing gears all the way to work would be nice.
    The car runs with Evo's and WRX's, only problem is I have to do some blocking or get out-accelerated
    [​IMG]

    I'm open to ideas as it's all in the planning stages still
     
    Last edited: Jul 7, 2012
  18. just_ace

    just_ace Well-Known Member

    Hmmm, my idea for best torque would be to use the gen2 na head. Long inlet runners and single runners so no turbulence like the tvis head. Intake velocity will be higher and continue to fill cylinders for longer when piston starts to come back up on the compression stroke.

    barbagello race way in wa is also suited for torquey motors apparently.

    I was looking into rod combos for a while, but aiming for 9:1cr, and my beams head only has 33cc so nothing would suit. Ill look thru my info for possible other combos with the wide angle 3s head.


    What plug gap? Std ecu? Maybe hunt down a hks twin spark or something similar to increase the spark get it to fire up quicker.

    Sounds odd that a high cr would cuase that strain. Beams are 11:1/11.5:1, starter isnt anything special. Does it have trouble firing/starting when cold?
     
  19. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Yes. gen2 head is nice but a pain to use properly, for that effort I'd rather fit a red top. Gen3 GE heads are $125 here plus the manifolds.
    Red top and ST215 use inlet runners similar to the ST162

    I have been looking too, rods around 140mm are scarce and most have narrow main bearings. Other possibles are Moto Guzzi or Opel GSI 16V?. Might be worth having some made or re-sized.

    Gap is 1.1mm, any smaller and she cuts out when hot.
    ECU is stock JDM

    I'm cranking for up to 30 seconds for pressure.
    Starts like a bastard, hot or cold. Beams has detonation sensor and the cam advance is to prevent detonation?
     
    Last edited: Jul 8, 2012
  20. rio

    rio Active Member

    stig can u get some gen 3 GE CAMS cheap if the heads are so cheap :)))
     

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