not sure if you guys will know much about this, but its worth a shot ill be replacing my 3sfe in my celica in the next week or 2 coz i fried it and dont really have the cash to do a 3sge conversion so after reading up on the 3sfe i noticed it is also featured in a fair few new models - including the rav 4. i can get a long motor from the local wreckers for $100, which makes the 3sge conversion seem like a cheap option, but then have to factor in loom, ecu etc, and i just cbf doing the conversion so just curious if anyone knows if there are any major differences between the models? im mainly after a newer engine from say a rav4 so i know it will be in better condition. i realise itd have different engine mounts, which i assume could be swapped with my celica items? im more concerned about the loom. from what ive read the main differences are valve timing and ecu settings? meaning i could grab the long motor and ecu and hopfully itl be plug n play? lol anyway some more info on this would be good! as said i know the 3sge conversion is a better option, but this is my daily driver, i cbf doing it and my local wreckers doesnt have any in stock. most other places will charge $400+ for a long motor with no hang ons im just wanting to know if a later model 3sfe will bolt strait in to a ST162! with no loom changes etc?!
I know the 3sge gens are not plug and play, I dont tihnk the FE would be any different. THats just a guess, good luck
cheers mate ive posted this on a few toyota forums and seems no one really has any idea about it lol ill call some wreckers and see what they say i thought the same as you, that perhaps itd be a similar story to the 3sge but the only difference between the 3sfe models has been the valve timing and ecu settings as far as i can tell. no other differences but time will tell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toyota_3S-GE gives a great comparison. From what I know they are all great engines .
thanx bud, but im talking about 3sfe theres some good info on all S series engines here but missing info for the rav4 3sfe http://www.babcox.com/editorial/ar/ar400108.htm
98 and newer rav4's used a distributorless ignition system. For swappage, this would definitely require at least the ecu and complete wiring harness, for starters.
I've consulted a Toyota master technician about this (my father). He has told me that the 3S-FE used in the Rav4 uses a slightly different block. The difference is where it bolts up to the transmission. This change was for the 4 wheel drive, but he believes the 2wd models are the same - they are rav4 specific as well. He told me you best option - and a simple upgrade swap, would be the 2.2liter 5s-fe from a 92+ camry. Simply use your old intake/exhaust manifolds, wiring, and computer. For some added horsepower, you can use the factory exhaust header from a 97 camry (more free-flowing). The cheapest option would probably be a 3s-fe from a 91 or older camry.
wow fantastic info mate!!! the appeal with the engines is that i can get ANY long motor 4cyl from my local wreckers for $100. regardless of make year or whatever. so will the 5sfe from a 93+ camry will bolt in using all existing hardware and sensors? would it be worth while grabbing the ecu for the corrisponding motor? and with the rav4 engine, did you mean the design is the same between fwd and awd, or fwd and the previous 3sfe? just looking on wikipedia. the 5sfe seems like quite a good option if its going to be a straight forward bolt in no rewiring job lol. 3sfe gen2 (found in aussie st162) power:85 kW@5600 rpm torque:162 Nm@4400 rpm 3sfe gen3 (found in aussie rav4 '95+) power:96 kW@6000 rpm torque:178 Nm@4400 rpm 3sge gen1 (found in aussie st162 SX) power:103 kW@6200 rpm torque:175 Nm@4800 rpm 5sfe gen2 (found in aussie camry '93+) power:101kW@5400 rpm torque:196 Nm@4400 rpm so the 5sfe doesnt have as much power as the 3sge, but bit more torque and lower in the rev range, and not to mention the fact that no changes need to be made, then it seems like a win win situation!
He specifically mentioned the 92 camry. I will ask him how new you can go with the 5s-fe before you run into compatibility issues. I believe the camry went to distributorless ignition in the 97 model year. I would imagine 92-96 is what you need, but I'll ask him.
awesome cheers man. the '92 camry had the gen1 5sfe which ran from 1990-1992, so that might be what hes talking about. sorry for all the questions lol. just wana make sure itl be smooth sailing. can you also ask if the ecu and exising loom in the celica will plug strait in without any modding? and will the trans bolt up also with no changes needed? will the existing efi gear suit the 5sfe? basically any changes that need to be made? lol
The 5s-fe from a 92-94 camry can be used. By reusing your old intake and exhaust manifolds from your original 3sfe, you can use the old harness and ecu. It'll drop right in. Switching to the camry ecu would require more work and would have no advantage. The 5th gen celica also used the 5sfe. These will work for you as well in the same manner. There is a difference between the celica 5sfe and the camry 5sfe. The camry has a balancer shaft in the oil pan and a different oil pan. The celica has no balancer shaft. The balancer shaft smooths out the engine vibration, but robs small bit of power. You can delete the balancer shaft in the camry and gain a few hp. If you do this, you will need to plug off the oil supply to it as well. *Note - USDM model years are referenced above
awesome cheers for that man i think ill have to give it a go at $100 for the long engine i dont mind if it doesnt work out lol
