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Front end slides when turning

Discussion in 'Motorsports' started by GRISLOVE, Jan 27, 2014.

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  1. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    Hi guys. Idk if this is normal but I really think it's not. I have an 86 Celica fwd, lots of changes, but not a whole lot to the suspension. Mostly stock suspension. I've noticed if I rip a corner real fast my front end seems to "push" or slide. Even if IM not in the gas. And really noticed it when I went to an autocross even last year. If I came in fast and let off the gas the weight would transfer to the front and my rear end would come around (on short quick corners) but on long tight or tight and quick corners, say making a full circle, my front end tends not to want to grip. I've driven other cars and none seem to do it like this one. IM stumped guys??????

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 27, 2014
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  2. Djsteviec

    Djsteviec Well-Known Member

    Sounds like not enough grip! What size tires are you running?
     
    Djsteviec, Jan 27, 2014
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  3. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    205/50r15. Not the best tires but I've had worse on other cars and it just doesn't feel right

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 27, 2014
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  4. sillyca

    sillyca Well-Known Member Donated!

    Sometimes it can come down to how much tow in you have, mine was over steering severely with tow out into some long corners in the track, and mind you that was also on crusty old street radials which was 205/45/17. After being around racing I've seen several different. Instance where a vehicle will push. Vehicle corner weights can have a lot do with it too. But withou coilovers it's very hard to correct


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    sillyca, Jan 28, 2014
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  5. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    My alignment has been done many times. I do it myself. Rear is set to specs. And front I have a but cambered in -1.5 degrees and slightly toed in. I've driven cars with never had an alignment. Still handle better. I know my coil springs were heated to lower the car (before I owned it) it does have quite a but of body roll? That affect it?

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  6. lone wolf

    lone wolf Well-Known Member Donated!

    try the front strut brace if you don't have it yet and install a better swaybar on the rear. That should help as well.
     
    lone wolf, Jan 28, 2014
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  7. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    Front strut brace? That goes across the top under the hood?

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  8. lone wolf

    lone wolf Well-Known Member Donated!

    that's the thing yes.
     
    lone wolf, Jan 28, 2014
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  9. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    Yep have one of those. The stock and an aftermarket one

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  10. lone wolf

    lone wolf Well-Known Member Donated!

    Fresh and soft rubber is also very important...old and worn (hardened) tires skid like crazy as well.

    Normally if you start sliding and release gas the back end should come around...

    I have a whiteline swaybar rear to be installed. This should make an improvement as well.
     
    lone wolf, Jan 28, 2014
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  11. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    Bran new tires. But say even if IM not on the gas. If IM coming in fast, and just rip into a corner, front end doesn't grip. Or if just barely on the gas.

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  12. Djsteviec

    Djsteviec Well-Known Member

    Remove your front sway bar! I did it at the track- MUCH better!
     
    Djsteviec, Jan 28, 2014
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  13. sillyca

    sillyca Well-Known Member Donated!

    I know this is all built on race cars but it's worth a read. The hole website is

    http://farnorthracing.com/autocross_secrets10.html

    And there is also a good read about corner weights to understand how the car handles with wieght

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    sillyca, Jan 28, 2014
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  14. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    Remove it! my car has so much body roll it already looks like IM about to flip, wouldn't that make it worse?

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  15. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    I'll read this as soon as I get the chance.

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  16. sillyca

    sillyca Well-Known Member Donated!

    Removing it will help some of the weight transfer. For example here were I live we have to race tracks and one track we have the front sway bar connected and the other track because it's tighter we remove one side. I know I'm referencing racing but when you look at it there is a lot of things you can take from the track to the road which helps greatly. generally when we remove one side it helps with the weight transfer to that outside wheel


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    sillyca, Jan 28, 2014
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  17. Djsteviec

    Djsteviec Well-Known Member

    No, you're good. On the track I was pushing hard into a right turn, and the car would push hard! I undid one side, and tested it- MUCH better! It is coming off completely this year.
     
    Djsteviec, Jan 28, 2014
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  18. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    What the hell, I wonder how that works. sway bar is supposed to help not make it worse. I've heard that before though.

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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  19. Djsteviec

    Djsteviec Well-Known Member

    Better for people that don't know how to drive, or push it hard!
     
    Djsteviec, Jan 28, 2014
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  20. GRISLOVE

    GRISLOVE Well-Known Member

    But I thought body roll was bad? Because as everything is moving so is the geometry of your suspension?

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    GRISLOVE, Jan 28, 2014
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