JDM TEMS, Corona 162 - 2 & 4 door and many more jdm oddities

Discussion in 'Your 4th Gen beauty' started by Stig, Apr 4, 2009.

  1. jwagner162

    jwagner162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    it so when it rains and then gets sunny it reduces the glare of the road........
     
  2. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    TTE mirror deflectors

    Well I'm sceptical -
    The guy who sold them told me they came off one of the WRC cars in 1989, they were supposed to improve aerodynamics as well as keep the mirrors clean, reduce glare etc
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    Why I'm sceptical
    1)The WRC cars sedom had 2 mirrors, in the pics I've yet to see these fitted
    2)In the beginning they had US type mirrors but later were fitted with only one F1 type mirror
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    The scary thing is they appear to have the TTE marking on them? - and no p/n
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    You decide?
     
    Last edited: Apr 2, 2012
  3. Oompa

    Oompa Well-Known Member

    Yeah Stig I am interested in the 240km speedo send me a pm with how much you want.
     
  4. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Clevite 3S-FE 0.50 pistons

    Next you guys will be wanting my original 1991 NZ WRC Rally, Sainz/Moya competitors entry card :naughty
    I love finding unusual stuff like this and then trying to figure it out

    Here's something else I've never seen before - has anyone?
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    That's right, when last did you see someone rebuild a 3S-FE ;)
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    The theory behind buying them went like this -
    Cut 3mm off the tops, Fit a 5S crank with 2.5mm more travel, The pistons would then resemble 2JZ pistons and take a hellava lot of boost. The thicker rings would last longer in a high stress situation too.

    Anyway they're up for grabs - make an offer
     
  5. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    So you're saying stock GTE pistons are shite? These are way thicker with thicker rings.
    With a lower compression ratio (ie 8-1) you can run higher boost and have the same effect as a higher compression piston (ie 10-1) running lower boost

    Granted Forged is better - in a race engine!, but the price and expansion rate put them out of reach for "normal" use.
    Cast pistons have metal re-enforcing bands inside and their expansion is a lot less which is why they are fitted as stock, wheras forged pistons need looser bores and tighter temperature ranges or they chew up rings and skirts very quickly

    I've run cast pistons in race motors for years and only once burned a hole in one due to my own stupidity, they don't break unless you get you get your mix wrong (or boost) or starve them of oil

    I've yet to see a set of forged pistons do 200 000km?
     
    Last edited: Apr 3, 2012
  6. 1fstgts

    1fstgts Well-Known Member Staff Member Administrator Moderator Donated!

    So Im guessing your mirror visors arent up for grabs then? :(
     
  7. trel162

    trel162 Well-Known Member Donated!

    I had both the reds, not bad and sweet bottles. Can't go wrong with accadacca
     
  8. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Yes, but with a GE/GTE head, 5S crank and 2JZ rods

    I've got some Honda pistons to do that now, so what is a Toyota/Honda hybrid? - Toyhonda?
     
  9. Oompa

    Oompa Well-Known Member

    Nah it would have to be a Hota Tonda!!
     
  10. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    The Honda pistons have scary thin rings though.

    There are a lot of really good 40yr old rock bands still going, I see Kiss/Motley Crue is doing a US tour soon and Aerosmith/Van Halen have new LP's coming out.

    Bruce - How much you guys charge for the custom rocker covers?
    I want to do something like this with a gen2 head but make it blue with YAMAHA on it instead of TOYOTA which is facing backwards.
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    I don't think Frankenstein will go down well with TEMS, she thinks she's a member of Toyota royalty :colbert
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2012
  11. rev_head

    rev_head Well-Known Member Donated!

    the key is that you said a hell of a lot of boost
    for a relatively stock build gte pistons are fine but once you strap on a larger turbo and high boost they dont cut it. i have seen gte pistons crack ringlands on stock setups just with the boost cranked and have seen some that are pitted that bad youd think it was a 13:1 comp ratio. for the effort your describing going forged or atleast hyperictic pistons would be a much better option

    Forgies arent really that expensive if you shop around especially for boosted application. there are some incerdibly cheap deals on forged rods/piston combos available
     
  12. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Why pistons crack and break, excessive blow-by etc

    Oops, pressure and heat are two very different things -

    Anyone who has powder coated an alu scuba cylinder will tell you that Alu breaks down at around 200degC and while it appears OK, the strength is gone - you are left with a potential bomb!

    Increased pressures will cause an increase in heat, something to bear in mind before reaching for the boost dial

    Pistons are cooled by intake charge on top and oil splashing from underneath, while the rings are used to transmit heat into the block as well as seal & scrape the cylinder walls.

    The pistons themselves (cast) can withstand pressures around 500bar, but as anyone with a HP motor will tell you (ie Mafix) the rings start to lose the plot and excessive breathing (Blow-by) becomes a major issue - It's the same in a worn motor with bad ring seal (compression)

    What happens is the rings can no longer keep the combustion charge above the piston and it leaks past the rings which not only heats the piston sides but prevents the rings from transferring heat as they would normally.
    What this leads to is overheated rings and ring lands and inevitably the piston cracks - the same effect happens when the mixture goes lean (ie boost bumped without added fuel).
    Top fuel dragsters will sometimes grenade a motor if it runs out of fuel before the ignition is shut off - etc, etc

    So in effect it doesn't matter whether your pistons were stamped or cast, when they overheat the result will be the same.

    Forged piston benefits
    Forged pistons are a race option, for street use one needs to be extra carefull when machining the motor and longer warmups and much strickter engine cooling are required.
    The forged pistons are machined to stricker tolerances in shorter runs and most companies offer a customising service for their pistons wheras cast pistons are usually a buy-it or leave-it mass production option.
    Forged pistons are also lighter and don't have casting marks or ridges inside
    The stamping process of a forged piston aligns the molecules and makes it stucturally stronger, however this does not make the alu more resistant to heat.

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    Ring check
    An easy check to see what's happening in your motor is to take the rings out and twist them -
    if the ring returns to it's original shape it's still good.
    An overheated ring will stay twisted and also won't have any "spring" on the cylinder wall - compress them and they won't bounce back to their original shape either.

    Oil squirters
    Sometimes known as "piston coolers", their job is to deliver cooled oil to the underside of the piston.
    The FE/GE has squirters built into the con rods (which could account for their longevity), but the GTE and later high performance motors have dedicated squirters which deliver oil to the underside of the pistons at higher rpm's only.
    The block squirters are a better option as they are aimed at the exhaust (hotter) side of the piston and don't interfere with idle oil pressure, also they don't interfere with oil delivery to the big end bearings.

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    Over Fuelling
    Initially the motor will feel more powerfull and responsive, but the excess fuel attaches itself to the cylnder walls and causes what is known as "Cylinder wash"
    Oil is "washed" from the cylinder walls which causes the rings to seize and overheat, the motor doesn't seize but scores the bores/pistons and eventually the rings break up
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2012
  13. Spiderman

    Spiderman Well-Known Member

    Excellent clarification Kevin :colbert


    Have you polished off that AccaDacca juice yet ?.......... John Fogerty is here to perform at the Byron Bay blues festival :thumbsup:
     
  14. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Acca juice is maturing slowly ;)

    I saw Oompa yesterday and his car is coming along nicely, it's going to be a very capable track weapon when he's finished.
    One thing we noticed was that he has a totally different gearbox cooler on the early GT4

    Mine (normal?)
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    Bruce's cooler is a monster and makes the normal type look small
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    Anybody else got one of these?
     
    Last edited: Apr 7, 2012
  15. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Lexus ES300 brake conversion, TTE mirror visors

    I take it nobody else has seen that air duct either?

    TEMS now has eyelashes
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    Went to the the yards today - no Celi's, so I got bored and started looking at other cars in the Toyota range.
    The other day I noticed that Oompas early JDM ST165 wears ST182 disks and calipers which I thought was odd - that is till I saw this...
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    Stock ST162/5 disk in the front (255mm), rear is 275mm and 28mm thick, calipers are monster twin pistons
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    On the right is a huge single piston Camry/Windom V6 caliper, I suspect the same as those on later ST185's?

    Question is what car are these brakes & disks from?
    Clue - NOT ST162/5, ST182/5, ST202/5, ST206, ST215, Windom, Camry, Supra, Vista, Curren
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2012
  16. kevind

    kevind Well-Known Member Donated!

    sw20 mr2? (if the pcd is not the same as st162)
     
  17. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    Good guess but no, SW20 has different pcd and disks are small. I believe the Turbo has very similar brakes though

    These come from a Lexus ES300, The Camry & Windom V6's use the same disks and pads but for some reason the Lexus is fitted with twin piston calipers which fit onto the Camry/Windom brackets and visa versa.
    The bad news is they won't bolt onto our hubs as the bolt pattern is bigger, you'd need to swap the hub as well.
    So this is what happens when a bunch of these cars are lined up and I'm bored.

    Interestingly the 5S-FE Camry's had the same hubs/disks/calipers as our ST162's, it's only the V6's that have the bigger disks/hubs

    It's given me some ideas as these calipers/pads are big enough to cover 300mm disks as found on Supras, Altezzas etc

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    What's confusing is that the ST185 has 2 types of brakes too, early models have ST165 brakes?, while later model disks look like these.
    I measured a spare set of ST185 hubs and these calipers wont fit them either - ?
    Does anyone have pics/info on the later model ST185 brakes?
     
    Last edited: Apr 25, 2012
  18. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    JASMA Exhaust systems - defenition

    I learned something new today.... JASMA is not a brand!

    JASMA - Japanese Automotive Sports Muffler Association
    It's an emission standard all exhaust makers must abide with, so if your pipe has JASMA on it, it was made in JPN
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    Also you cannot own a car in JPN unless your buy a parking space for it, cars under 700cc are exempt from this law. Expect Japanese cars to get a LOT smaller in the future.
     
    Last edited: Apr 12, 2012
  19. LionTR

    LionTR Well-Known Member Donated!

    It's like that for quite a while now. And this category also produced some nice little sportscars, like the Honda Beat and the Suzuki Cappuccino.
     
  20. Stig

    Stig ST162 Guru Donated!

    3S-GE Stainless steel JASMA headers

    This week I took delivery of an interesting set of stainless headers wearing the Jasma label.
    It looks weird as it came from an MR2 but has the 4 wire O2 sensor I've been looking for

    Looks similar to the Tanaka headers but is a 4-2-1 instead of a 4-1
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    Header tubes are bigger and more equal than those on the Gen2 GE headers, rear pipe measures 2 3/4 inches across - plan is to collect as much stainless pipe, silencers etc and build a complete new stainless system with a replacable rear section for track outings.
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    My other coup is a complete set of near new ST185 slotted brakes with new hubs and new EBC "Red stuff" pads, pics later when the sun comes out.
     
    Last edited: Apr 20, 2012

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